Originally posted by Robtard
IIRC, well the science community disagrees with you.
Feel free to quote the study (I linked them for you) that shows they disagree how clinical research works with human trials with pharmaceuticals. I think you'd be hard pressed to find an actual medical scientist that disagrees with how pharmaceutical research is done.
Originally posted by Robtard
[BWhen whichever drug is fully tested and labeled a "cure"[/B]
How often do you see any pharmaceutical called a "cure"? What about a pharmaceutical therapy that is supposed to assist the patient in recovery? Is that called a "cure"? Honestly, I don't know if things are called cures anywhere except in layman language.
Wait a minute, are you trying to strawman me or move the goalposts?
Seriously, take a step back, look at our conversation. Do you understand how asinine and rather stupid your entire shtick is? Who cares about Trump and his dumbass. He got told some shit from experts and pretended it was his idea like classic Trump. But who cares. It's just Trump being a dumbass. Why not care about the drug? "I didn't even mention Trump!" I know, I know. But you're pretending the scientific method doesn't exist and you're ignoring already completed studies because this is definitely a Trump thing for you. If literally anyone else was bringing this up as a way to treat (note: the absence of the word "cure" because that's impossible) COVID-19, you'd be praising and being hopeful about it.
Here, stop listening to Trump. Tune him out. Bring your brain back into the conversation. Check this out:
https://abc7.com/health/la-doctor-seeing-success-with-hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid-19/6079864/
Notice his mention of zinc being absolutely necessary? Notice he brought up the very important point about other drugs and illnesses (what is known as contraindications, which I brought up earlier)? That's important. You can use that to have your pretend wins against Trump. See, look, we can be on the same side if you approach the topic a bit less emotional and angry.
Let's try to have a normal convos Just ignore all the other stuff.
Looking at some of studies done on it, it looks like Zinc is not as necessary as this doctor states. However, the other studies show a more subdued result than he's talking about. If his team is right, then Zinc being added into the mix (pun intended) may very well help people with severe COVID-19 recover quickly and we can start saving lives by the thousands. If we can reach the severe patients quickly enough with a properly understood dosing protocol (I think this is really what you're after: a proper dosing protocol which has largely unproven at this point - that's what the human trials are supposed to suss out), we might be able to head off some of the damage that occurs to the lungs and help people get back to 100% very quickly. This is not an option we have with flu strains.
If this was covered, ignore it.
Boris Johnson is off Oxygen and in stable condition:
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Trump's wonderdrug was tested in France on COVID-19 patients without a control group. I wouldn't get too comfortable that it's a working treatment or cure with such a low level of study behind it.
so he's a u.s. president scamming the public and profiteering off of a national catastrophe. you're acting like that's evil or criminal or something
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
so he's a u.s. president scamming the public and profiteering off of a national catastrophe. you're acting like that's evil or criminal or something
True Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.
Originally posted by Blakemore
I like your jam tart sig...
New York Style Cheesecake with cherry pie filling as the toping.
As far as New York Style Cheesecakes go, it's a bit flat. It should be taller. But it was the best high quality image I could find a few years back that also displayed the topping I prefer.
Originally posted by Jew Boy
@DDM looks like IMHE revised their prediction downwards once again. 50,000 dead by May, 60,000 in total. Closing in on flu levels
Nice. I didn't adjust mine. But mine would probably reflect a similar spike on the date they have.
Huge spike yesterday and my model was off.
The spike was so large that there has to be something about it somewhere in the data. What happened 14-21 days ago? The mass quarantines and lockdowns which "inspired" people to freak out and go shopping. Which caused the exposure of people who may not have been exposed. Which caused a spike in deaths. If we are supposedly near or at saturation, then those that were not exposed yet, for whatever reason, are vulnerable.
The US is currently sitting at 16: much lower than normal for this time of day. Perhaps the spike yesterday was just uncharacteristic and we will see much lower numbers, today?
And, yup, we are in flu level numbers, now. 24,000-80,000 estimated flu deaths with the 24K figure being the one the one the CDC formally uses.
2017-2018 flu season had 80K deaths. So, combined, SARS-CoV-2 + Flu seasonal deaths may be less than 2018-2018 flu season, which would be good.
Originally posted by dadudemonThing is though, it has crossed seasonal barriers and occured rapidly over a few months in both hemispheres and all continents.
New York Style Cheesecake with cherry pie filling as the toping.As far as New York Style Cheesecakes go, it's a bit flat. It should be taller. But it was the best high quality image I could find a few years back that also displayed the topping I prefer.
Nice. I didn't adjust mine. But mine would probably reflect a similar spike on the date they have.
Huge spike yesterday and my model was off.
The spike was so large that there has to be something about it somewhere in the data. What happened 14-21 days ago? The mass quarantines and lockdowns which "inspired" people to freak out and go shopping. Which caused the exposure of people who may not have been exposed. Which caused a spike in deaths. If we are supposedly near or at saturation, then those that were not exposed yet, for whatever reason, are vulnerable.
The US is currently sitting at 16: much lower than normal for this time of day. Perhaps the spike yesterday was just uncharacteristic and we will see much lower numbers, today?
And, yup, we are in flu level numbers, now. 24,000-80,000 estimated flu deaths with the 24K figure being the one the one the CDC formally uses.
2017-2018 flu season had 80K deaths. So, combined, SARS-CoV-2 + Flu seasonal deaths may be less than 2018-2018 flu season, which would be good.
Maybe hoarders weren't so stupid after all:
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/4/3/21206942/toilet-paper-coronavirus-shortage-supply-chain
Toilet paper has become the definitive pandemic product that Americans thought to stock up on; not only is it a basic necessity, it’s relatively cheap to buy in bulk and will certainly be used at a later date. Americans, who make up about 4 percent of the global population, also use more toilet paper than citizens of other countries: They account for 20 percent of global TP consumption. For the average customer, it’s much easier to assume that the lack of 4-packs at stores lies with some neighborhood panic-buyer who got their hands on multiple TP rolls before everyone else. Yet, the ongoing shortage isn’t entirely the result of hoarding.There are major problems in the supply chain: Demand is way up, and suppliers have experienced serious disruptions. This isn’t just true for toilet paper. As Hilary George-Parkin previously reported for The Goods, “the coronavirus outbreak has created an unlucky confluence of spiking demand and widespread supplier delays” since the crisis isn’t contained in a single state or country. To put it simply, many American companies are heavily reliant on overseas suppliers, primarily from China, for raw materials or finished products. Any delay overseas can create a domino effect in terms of product availability.
Toilet paper is produced from one of two sources: virgin pulp from trees, or recycled pulp from materials like discarded paper or cardboard that’s reprocessed into pulp. Virgin pulp — a key material for TP brands like Charmin Ultra Soft and Angel Soft — is sourced from forests in the United States and Canada, and accounts for 23 percent of Canada’s forest product exports.
Current trade tensions between the US and Canada might make it more difficult for suppliers to get the ingredients they need. On April 3, President Donald Trump ordered manufacturing companies to cease all exports of medical gear from the US, prompting criticism from Canada’s Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
So Trump kicked off a trade war with Moose Country, and we get less paper products because of it.
Add that in with our reliance on China, and stay at home orders messing up supply lines, and I'm thinking these stories of "panic buyers" had no basis in fact. They were just a cover so the public didn't look too close at how US companies do business.
Originally posted by Surtur
Dad handcuffed and led away by cops in front of 6-year-old daughter for violating social distancing. They were playing tee ball at a park.wtf
I read about that story. The park said closed except for groups up to 4 people.
That father had...3 people? The cops were just powertripping. A/the police commander offered to meet the father in person and apologize. The father, naturally, refuses to meet to get the apology.
You know, social distancing from strangers.
Get this: man gets arrested by a group of cops. They have their hands all over him, naturally, to put him in cuffs and "detain him." Violating the social distancing "rules" they are there to enforce, to begin with.
Stupid COVID-19 hysteria.
Also, I was reading that this COVID-19 shit hasn't stopped people from being out in public and more people are out more than ever. That would explain why the lockdown and quarantining isn't working in some areas. Where I am, it's dead. Almost no one anywhere EXCEPT THE SUPERMARKETS where they are busier than ever. lol
BUSTED: Crowder Calls NBC News About FAKE Chloroquine Lady! | Louder with Crowder
For those who can't or don't wanna watch the clip he calls up one of the writers of the original story from NBC. We basically find out she didn't do her due diligence about the woman and didn't know she is a democrat who hates trump who also got violent against her now dead husband. Also isn't going to update the story with this new relevant information because she feels it is irrelevant.
This is our media.