Coronavirus

Started by snowdragon504 pages
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Nah, they're not the leader who undermined safety etc.

How do you define safety? Keeping ppl from dieing? Coumo and Murphy literally caused the nursing home debacle in their states.

More Than 40% of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes

At least 68,000 residents and workers have died from the coronavirus at nursing homes and other long-term care facilities for older adults in the United States, according to a New York Times database. As of August 13, the virus has infected more than 402,000 people at some 17,000 facilities.

That's also being kind to Coumo since NY didn't add to the death counts of elderly that contracted covid in their care centers but died outside of them.

The president is limited in what actions he can directly take at the state lvl, our system of govt puts the power in the Govenor and Mayors hands.

Originally posted by snowdragon
How do you define safety? Keeping ppl from dieing? Coumo and Murphy literally caused the nursing home debacle in their states.

More Than 40% of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes

At least 68,000 residents and workers have died from the coronavirus at nursing homes and other long-term care facilities for older adults in the United States, according to a New York Times database. As of August 13, the virus has infected more than 402,000 people at some 17,000 facilities.

That's also being kind to Coumo since NY didn't add to the death counts of elderly that contracted covid in their care centers but died outside of them.

The president is limited in what actions he can directly take at the state lvl, our system of govt puts the power in the Govenor and Mayors hands.

It's the President's duty to not make light of a pandemic all the quotes are pages back and you know them well.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Nah, they're not the leader who undermined safety etc.

Yes they absolutely are leaders that undermined safety lol.

Unless they got removed from office and I just didn't hear about it.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes they absolutely are leaders that undermined safety lol.

Unless they got removed from office and I just didn't hear about it.

Disagree, but you be you.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Disagree, but you be you.

Ultimately the choices they made for their states came down to them, not Trump.

Now I don't wanna actually point the finger at any American, but if you guys insist on assigning blame to folk here: democrats will not be escaping that blame.

Originally posted by Surtur
Ultimately the choices they made for their states came down to them, not Trump.

Now I don't wanna actually point the finger at any American, but if you guys insist on assigning blame to folk here: democrats will not be escaping that blame.

Like I said you be you, the Captain at the wheel is the Captain at the wheel.

sail to the stupid oceon!

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Like I said you be you, the Captain at the wheel is the Captain at the wheel.

No, that's not how our government works. This isn't really up for debate, no more so than 2+2=4 is. We are not in a dictatorship.

Nah, they're not the leader who undermined safety etc.[QUOTE]

[Quote]New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's controversial March 25 order that required nursing homes to admit COVID-19 patients was deleted from the state of New York's website

Govenor Murphys executive order:

No patient/residentshallbe deniedre-admissionor admissionto the post-acutecaresettingsolelybasedon a confirmeddiagnosisof COVID-19.Personsunderinvestigationfor COVID-19whohaveundergonetestingin the hospitalshallnot bedischargeduntilresultsare available.Post-acutecarefacilitiesare prohibitedfromrequiringa hospitalizedpatient/residentwhois determinedmedicallystableto be testedfor COVID-19priorto admissionor readmission.

Lulz, those 2 gov are directly responsible, no 2 ways around that.

No, that's not how our government works. This isn't really up for debate, no more so than 2+2=4 is. We are not in a dictatorship.

Lol, Trump's so authoritarian he's gonna control everything.........wait he isn't a dictator in control of everything......oh shit. Gotta love the whiners about Trump being such a tyrant when he actually respects the authority of Govenors.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Govenor Murphys executive order:

Lulz, those 2 gov are directly responsible, no 2 ways around that.

Lol, Trump's so authoritarian he's gonna control everything.........wait he isn't a dictator in control of everything......oh shit. Gotta love the whiners about Trump being such a tyrant when he actually respects the authority of Govenors.

You guys can push this narrative but people remember what he did or didn't do.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
You guys can push this narrative but people remember what he did or didn't do.

What I showed you wasn't a narrative. What I presented to you were direct facts.

Cuomo and Murphy set forth policy that directly contributed to the deaths of elderly in nursing homes/elderly care centers.

That isn't partisan or political but we know that, your TDS is just exceptionally strong today 😉

👆

Originally posted by snowdragon
What I showed you wasn't a narrative. What I presented to you were direct facts.

Cuomo and Murphy set forth policy that directly contributed to the deaths of elderly in nursing homes/elderly care centers.

That isn't partisan or political but we know that, your TDS is just exceptionally strong today 😉

People remember his leadership, errors your states made pales to the overall picture. One of failure, which in some states is about to spike again, it may be hidden for the full extent until after November, but spike it is about to.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/10/winter-is-coming-as-flu-season-nears-americas-window-of-opportunity-to-beat-back-covid-19-is-narrowing/

Why it's so much more complicated than people would have you believe.

Dudes, why do you respond to clear trolling?

A troll can't troll if you don't respond to the troll. Just ignore it.

da-doooooood-mon

Now we see evidence of what we have been observing in people for months, now: longterm immunity to SARS-CoV-2. With studies showing pre-existing immunity from other cold viruses (who shared such similar antigens with SARS-CoV-2 that it provided somewhere between 40%-60% immunity to the population), new studies are confirming that we see long term immunity even after exposure to SARS-CoV-2.

This is good news. And it reflects what we are seeing in places like Belgium, Sweden, and NYC: very near heard immunity as very few new cases and deaths are seen in those places.

Antibodies also come with an expiration date: Because they are inanimate proteins and not living cells, they can’t replenish themselves, and so disappear from the blood just weeks or months after they are produced. Hoards of antibodies appear shortly after a virus has breached the body’s barriers, then wane as the threat dissipates. Most of the B cells that produce these early antibodies die off as well.

But even when not under siege, the body retains a battalion of longer-lived B cells that can churn out virus-fighting antibodies en masse, should they prove useful again. Some patrol the bloodstream, waiting to be triggered anew; others retreat into the bone marrow, generating small amounts of antibodies that are detectable years, sometimes decades, after an infection is over. Several studies, including those led by Bhattacharya and Pepper, have found antibodies capable of incapacitating the coronavirus lingering at low levels in the blood months after people have recovered from COVID-19.

“The antibodies decline, but they settle in what looks like a stable nadir,” which is observable about three months after symptoms start, Bhattacharya said. “The response looks perfectly durable.”

Seeing antibodies this long after infection is a strong indication that B cells are still chugging away in the bone marrow, Pepper said. She and her team were also able to pluck B cells that recognize the coronavirus from the blood of people who have recovered from mild cases of COVID-19 and grow them in the lab.

Multiple studies, including one published Friday in the journal Cell, have also managed to isolate coronavirus-attacking T cells from the blood of recovered individuals — long after symptoms have disappeared. When provoked with bits of the coronavirus in the lab, these T cells pumped out virus-fighting signals, and cloned themselves into fresh armies ready to confront a familiar foe. Some reports have noted that analyses of T cells could give researchers a glimpse into the immune response to the coronavirus, even in patients whose antibody levels have declined to a point where they are difficult to detect.

“This is very promising,” said Smita Iyer, an immunologist at the University of California, Davis, who is studying immune responses to the coronavirus in rhesus macaques but was not involved in the new studies. “This calls for some optimism about herd immunity, and potentially a vaccine.”

Notably, several of the new studies are finding these powerful responses in people who did not develop severe cases of COVID-19, Iyer added. Some researchers have worried that infections that take a smaller toll on the body are less memorable to the immune system’s studious cells, which may prefer to invest their resources in more serious assaults. In some cases, the body could even jettison the viruses so quickly that it fails to catalog them. “This paper suggests this is not true,” Iyer said. “You can still get durable immunity without suffering the consequences of infection.”

The researchers are also apt to point out that they do not have the smoking gun research that shows long-term immunity remains in place because it has still only been a few months after the first infections. But since the time tables are now exceeding the original 3 month antibody drop, and they are finding markers of anitbodies this long after, it speaks volumes to long-term immunity. As always, this is not a 100% across the board thing: others may become reinfected especially if they have poor immune systems.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-covid-immunity-mild-infections-20200817-hvv4tiiu5feklclx47bc74el34-story.html?outputType=amp

Originally posted by dadudemon
Now we see evidence of what we have been observing in people for months, now: longterm immunity to SARS-CoV-2. With studies showing pre-existing immunity from other cold viruses (who shared such similar antigens with SARS-CoV-2 that it provided somewhere between 40%-60% immunity to the population), new studies are confirming that we see long term immunity even after exposure to SARS-CoV-2.

This is good news. And it reflects what we are seeing in places like Belgium, Sweden, and NYC: very near heard immunity as very few new cases and deaths are seen in those places.

The researchers are also apt to point out that they do not have the smoking gun research that shows long-term immunity remains in place because it has still only been a few months after the first infections. But since the time tables are now exceeding the original 3 month antibody drop, and they are finding markers of anitbodies this long after, it speaks volumes to long-term immunity. As always, this is not a 100% across the board thing: others may become reinfected especially if they have poor immune systems.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-covid-immunity-mild-infections-20200817-hvv4tiiu5feklclx47bc74el34-story.html?outputType=amp

i posted about transferable immunity pages back and the studies and the flawed data.

Originally posted by snowdragon
What I showed you wasn't a narrative. What I presented to you were direct facts.

Cuomo and Murphy set forth policy that directly contributed to the deaths of elderly in nursing homes/elderly care centers.

That isn't partisan or political but we know that, your TDS is just exceptionally strong today 😉

Whirly doesn't care about facts he's just a sad troll.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Dudes, why do you respond to clear trolling?

A troll can't troll if you don't respond to the troll. Just ignore it.

If this is how you feel why do you keep engaging with him? Time after time you've posted evidence to back up a claim and he just trolls you by crying gaslighting, etc.

Originally posted by Surtur
If this is how you feel why do you keep engaging with him? Time after time you've posted evidence to back up a claim and he just trolls you by crying gaslighting, etc.
and posting counter evidence along with all the other posters from Jaden, through Sorgo who got bored posting counter evidence. But Voltron be Voltron.