Originally posted by Bashar Teg
now that we're rapidly approaching a daily us death rate equivalent to one 9/11 per day, I wonder how clever our resident gaslighters are feeling, and how proud they feel in having participated. ddm? s&m?
I've been very clear how we can combat this.
1. Lockdowns are not on the list. In fact, they are more harmful, directly, as it applies to the virus itself (never mind the longer term damage and harm it does to the infirm and poor).
2. Rules against rehousing the elderly. Protection rules in place for care homes for the elderly (required check-ups for any visitors and employees).
3. Emphasis on exercise, getting sun, and healthy eating. Subsidies for gym memberships and tax breaks for those who "check in" to a gym (similar to the DoT's app where you can just use a mobile app to check in and it verifies your location).
4. Affordable Universal Healthcare. Mandatory quarantines for people who arrive ill (and checks at the gates when they arrive). Subsidies for vaccines (this was done and we have the mRNA vaccine because of these investments - the world should thank us).
5. And an idea I would like see explored are walk-through "sanitation gates" like China and Taiwan have.
But I'm sure you oppose these policies because they are something I said.
Please let me know which of those 5 points I made you disagree, why, and cite credible research to support your opposition.
Originally posted by dadudemonDDM, you've reached the point where no one cares or reads your posts. Apologies...
I've been very clear how we can combat this.1. Lockdowns are not on the list. In fact, they are more harmful, directly, as it applies to the virus itself (never mind the longer term damage and harm it does to the infirm and poor).
2. Rules against rehousing the elderly. Protection rules in place for care homes for the elderly (required check-ups for any visitors and employees).
3. Emphasis on exercise, getting sun, and healthy eating. Subsidies for gym memberships and tax breaks for those who "check in" to a gym (similar to the DoT's app where you can just use a mobile app to check in and it verifies your location).
4. Affordable Universal Healthcare. Mandatory quarantines for people who arrive ill (and checks at the gates when they arrive). Subsidies for vaccines (this was done and we have the mRNA vaccine because of these investments - the world should thank us).
5. And an idea I would like see explored are walk-through "sanitation gates" like China and Taiwan have.
But I'm sure you oppose these policies because they are something I said.
Please let me know which of those 5 points I made you disagree, why, and cite credible research to support your opposition.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I've been very clear how we can combat this.1. Lockdowns are not on the list. In fact, they are more harmful, directly, as it applies to the virus itself (never mind the longer term damage and harm it does to the infirm and poor).
2. Rules against rehousing the elderly. Protection rules in place for care homes for the elderly (required check-ups for any visitors and employees).
3. Emphasis on exercise, getting sun, and healthy eating. Subsidies for gym memberships and tax breaks for those who "check in" to a gym (similar to the DoT's app where you can just use a mobile app to check in and it verifies your location).
4. Affordable Universal Healthcare. Mandatory quarantines for people who arrive ill (and checks at the gates when they arrive). Subsidies for vaccines (this was done and we have the mRNA vaccine because of these investments - the world should thank us).
5. And an idea I would like see explored are walk-through "sanitation gates" like China and Taiwan have.
But I'm sure you oppose these policies because they are something I said.
Please let me know which of those 5 points I made you disagree, why, and cite credible research to support your opposition.
I disagree with 1, I do think lockdowns are a useful tool, I have read your posts on it, but have not been thoroughly convinced. With the other ones I do agree mostly though. 2 is somewhat of a trade off, you don't want coronavirus to ravage care homes like it has done in many European nations, and you also don't want old or infirm people to be separated from their social support networks.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
DDM, you've reached the point where no one cares or reads your posts. Apologies...
What, why?
Most of his points there are super reasonable and superior to the terrible approaches politicians in some NA cities are doing.
Lockdowns are like applying a bandaid to treat cancer. And they also disproportionately impact the poor and small business owners. So many small businesses are closing down in my area, it's going to take years to recover from this. We'll be feeling the effects of the lockdowns longer than the virus.
I also don't understand why lockdowns are cool among so many young people on social media. When did listening to the man become cool? I'm not anarchist, but I think a healthy dose of skepticism, and risky behaviour is good in younger generations and keeps older people on their toes.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What, why?Most of his points there are super reasonable and way superior to the terrible approaches politician in most NA cities are doing.
Lockdowns are like applying a bandaid to treat cancer. And they also disproportionately impact the poor and small business owners. So many small businesses are closing down in my area, it's going to take years to recover from this. We'll be feeling the effects of the lockdowns longer than the virus.
I also don't understand why lockdowns are cool among so many young people on social media. When did listening to the man become cool? I'm not anarchist, but I think a healthy dose of skepticism, and risky behaviour is good in younger generations and keeps older people on their toes.
I think a lot of younger people are just generally convinced that lockdowns serve a valuable purpose. I am with you on the economic effects, they could be mitigated, like Europe is trying to do, but it is a trade off to be mindful of. Raging against the man is good, but it's best if it is against things the man does wrong, of which there are plenty.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympushis statistics have been a constant movement of the goal posts and herd immunity without a vaccine is insane and has never happened. Anyone who advocates global herd immunity without a vaccine is barking, national herd immunity is impossible in a connected world btw.
What, why?Most of his points there are super reasonable and superior to the terrible approaches politicians in some NA cities are doing.
Lockdowns are like applying a bandaid to treat cancer. And they also disproportionately impact the poor and small business owners. So many small businesses are closing down in my area, it's going to take years to recover from this. We'll be feeling the effects of the lockdowns longer than the virus.
I also don't understand why lockdowns are cool among so many young people on social media. When did listening to the man become cool? I'm not anarchist, but I think a healthy dose of skepticism, and risky behaviour is good in younger generations and keeps older people on their toes.
Originally posted by Artol
I think a lot of younger people are just generally convinced that lockdowns serve a valuable purpose. I am with you on the economic effects, they could be mitigated, like Europe is trying to do, but it is a trade off to be mindful of. Raging against the man is good, but it's best if it is against things the man does wrong, of which there are plenty.
It's just weird to me and it seems that good nature is very easily weaponized. Like, if you paint things in an partisan light ("Anti-lockdowns are a narrative of the alt-right etc."😉, you can get people to agree to most things and shut down conversation.
It's making younger people more pliable in my opinion, and if anyone ever needs any reminder as to why that might be dangerous with our governments, you can go to the CIA website and read their declassified reports.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
his statistics have been a constant movement of the goal posts and herd immunity without a vaccine is insane and has never happened. Anyone who advocates global herd immunity without a vaccine is barking, national herd immunity is impossible in a connected world btw.
You might disagree with him on some things, but that doesn't mean he doesn't make other perfectly reasonable points. Seems kind of silly to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Imo, 90% of political arguments would not be as heated if that was reduced.
Regarding DDM's points, 3 to 5 are particularly important for the U.S. imo.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYouTube experts make people more pliable in my opinion.
It's just weird to me and it seems that good nature is very easily weaponized. Like, if you paint things in an partisan light ("Anti-lockdowns are a narrative of the alt-right etc."😉, you can get people to agree to most things and shut down conversation.It's making younger people more pliable in my opinion, and if anyone ever needs any reminder as to why that might be dangerous with our governments, you can go to the CIA website and read their declassified reports.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI stopped reading his points long ago when he didn't understand herd immunity had never been achieved without a vaccine and we have no way of knowing how long immunity will last. This was before long Covid reared its head.
You might disagree with him on some things, but that doesn't mean he doesn't make other perfectly reasonable points. Seems kind of silly to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Imo, 90% of political arguments would not be as heated if that was reduced.Regarding DDM's points, 3 to 5 are particularly important for the U.S. imo.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's just weird to me and it seems that good nature is very easily weaponized. Like, if you paint things in an partisan light ("Anti-lockdowns are a narrative of the alt-right etc."😉, you can get people to agree to most things and shut down conversation.It's making younger people more pliable in my opinion, and if anyone ever needs any reminder as to why that might be dangerous with our governments, you can go to the CIA website and read their declassified reports.
I agree with your criticism, both of partisanship and of the intelligence apparatus. I do think your connection to an acceptance of lockdown measures by young people to either of those things is misguided however. Both of those things don't exist to the same degree in Europe or Asia, and there is still a relatively broad consensus towards lockdowns being overall a good idea, leaving gripes over specifics and the economic way to handle them aside for now.
I think in the US we can see that the youth are not completely apolitical, and do not take authority at face value, whether that is BLM protests, or MAGA rallies. I think the arguments for lockdowns just make a lot of sense to young people, which is why they make the informed decision to comply (or in some cases not comply, I suppose)