Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
off the top of my head I can't remember now. My basic argument was along the lines of Craig vintner that race is a social construct. His was along the lines of some races are more stupid. It was under my previous account.
Gonna have to see some receipts, tbh. You can't just go around calling people Nazis. That word is cheapened enough al****ingready.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Yes they are, are you having trouble understanding that? And your going to take their word for it, considering that’s a banable offense right?
JFC, calm down. I'm literally in the middle of looking in to it.
Originally posted by -Pr-probably the best way to look is searching ventner. Ddm believed racism was a natural thing. I suggested all modern studies proved it wasnt citing hard Science, also there was a similar discussion in the now deleted Trump Potus thread. If you want to ban me over it it's fine, im willing to say perhaps he isn't a nazi but his views race is not a social construct and being racist is natural fly in the face of modern Science. He definately has both these views, he also has the idea in a thread with Ziggy many black people have lower IQ's and this is genetic. Again worth a search, these comments are specific to certain races only though from him. Mainly black people. No doubt because he knows I have a mixed race child or perhaps not, ill give him the benefit of the doubt there. It's subjective but these views are abhorrent to me.
Gonna have to see some receipts, tbh. You can't just go around calling people Nazis. That word is cheapened enough al****ingready.JFC, calm down. I'm literally in the middle of looking in to it.
Here's one 🙂
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=660256&pagenumber=1
They are at least, white supremacist particularly re IQ imo. I will also saying racism is natural despite flying in the face of modern science is an attempt to normalise it. At least in my opinion, these sort of white supremacist views have become something many on the Internet have bought into and led in no small part to the problems today.
To be honest his nutty herd immunity, survival of the fittest in this very thread smacks of Eugenics and is extremely distasteful.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
probably the best way to look is searching ventner. Ddm believed racism was a natural thing. I suggested all modern studies proved it wasnt citing hard Science, also there was a similar discussion in the now deleted Trump Potus thread. If you want to ban me over it it's fine, im willing to say perhaps he isn't a nazi but his views race is not a social construct and being racist is natural fly in the face of modern Science. He definately has both these views, he also has the idea in a thread with Ziggy many black people have lower IQ's and this is genetic. Again worth a search, these comments are specific to certain races only though from him. Mainly black people. No doubt because he knows I have a mixed race child or perhaps not, ill give him the benefit of the doubt there. It's subjective but these views are abhorrent to me.Here's one 🙂
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=660256&pagenumber=1
I read that thread. First of all, I hate tyou for making me read 13 pages of both sides wanking each other off, and really? After months of DDM saying "well, if you go by the science", you're going to play that card too?
I jest. Somewhat. Now on to the serious bit.
That thread you linked was aggravating watching you two argue points that weren't even the same damn point. You can blame DDM for misunderstanding if you want, but I saw nothing to suggest the dude is racist, never mind a Nazi.
Now, if I missed a line or two, that's fine, but I really don't think a thread like that is evidence of anything.
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As far as other stuff goes, if he said one race is genetically inferior in intelligence to another, he'd better have a hell of a lot of studies to back that up, because I don't believe that for a second. I'd have to see the context too.
I'm gonna be honest. DDM might be a racist. I don't know. But if you're gonna go around calling him a Nazi, you better bring more to the table than "what you interpreted from things he said". I need to see more posts/threads. Because right now, from my pov it looks like you're massively jumping the gun. You might not be, but I can only go by what i've seen.
It used to be fine to call people anything on the internet. All kinds of slurs were fair game. But they're not anymore. If you're going to call someone something like that, then you're going to need to back it up. I'm not trying to be mean with you or aggressive, just straightforward. No nastiness intended, just so we're clear.
Originally posted by -Pr-that's all fair, he honestly has said iq is racially genetic. I will look for it at some point. I'm pretty sure ziggy's thread was deleted but he has said it elsewhere. And yes, perhaps he didn't understand what I said or perhaps he did. I'm not going to call him a Nazi again. We are clear and apologies for making you read all that. Next time he says posts something more overt, I will flag it up. Because thankfully the world has changed as to what people can say without being picked up for it. Much to the chagrin of some posters here, the coded and loaded language Trumpers used here is the vest example I can think of. All our responses should be to that game, what do you mean by that? Because we cannot stand silent.
I read that thread. First of all, I hate tyou for making me read 13 pages of both sides wanking each other off, and really? After months of DDM saying "well, if you go by the science", you're going to play that card too?I jest. Somewhat. Now on to the serious bit.
That thread you linked was aggravating watching you two argue points that weren't even the same damn point. You can blame DDM for misunderstanding if you want, but I saw nothing to suggest the dude is racist, never mind a Nazi.
Now, if I missed a line or two, that's fine, but I really don't think a thread like that is evidence of anything.
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As far as other stuff goes, if he said one race is genetically inferior in intelligence to another, he'd better have a hell of a lot of studies to back that up, because I don't believe that for a second. I'd have to see the context too.
I'm gonna be honest. DDM might be a racist. I don't know. But if you're gonna go around calling him a Nazi, you better bring more to the table than "what you interpreted from things he said". I need to see more posts/threads. Because right now, from my pov it looks like you're massively jumping the gun. You might not be, but I can only go by what i've seen.
It used to be fine to call people anything on the internet. All kinds of slurs were fair game. But they're not anymore. If you're going to call someone something like that, then you're going to need to back it up. I'm not trying to be mean with you or aggressive, just straightforward. No nastiness intended, just so we're clear.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
that's all fair, he honestly has said iq is racially genetic.
That would be pretty ****y all right. Though now you have me wondering is it one of those "asians are smarter, and white people are smack in the middle" kind of obscene generalities people use.
Either way, if you can't find it, no problem.
I will look for it at some point. I'm pretty sure ziggy's thread was deleted but he has said it elsewhere. And yes, perhaps he didn't understand what I said or perhaps he did. I'm not going to call him a Nazi again. We are clear and apologies for making you read all that. Next time he says posts something more overt, I will flag it up. Because thankfully the world has changed as to what people can say without being picked up for it. Much to the chagrin of some posters here, the coded and loaded language Trumpers used here is the vest example I can think of. All our responses should be to that game, what do you mean by that? Because we cannot stand silent.
The problem I have with parts of that, is that what people call "coded" language, isn't always as such. We have to be very careful in picking out which things are people trying to be insidious, and which things are honest mistakes or bad phrasing. It's that "when you hold a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail" problem.
In the case of some of the Trumpers though, yeah, a lot of them can be pretty ****ing bad. Some of the phrasing I've seen isn't very good at all.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Gonna have to see some receipts, tbh. You can't just go around calling people Nazis. That word is cheapened enough al****ingready.JFC, calm down. I'm literally in the middle of looking in to it.
Thanks PR, he’s not only calling DDM Nazis but many other people on the forum. If you need links I can show you that as well.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
probably the best way to look is searching ventner. Ddm believed racism was a natural thing. I suggested all modern studies proved it wasnt citing hard Science, also there was a similar discussion in the now deleted Trump Potus thread. If you want to ban me over it it's fine, im willing to say perhaps he isn't a nazi but his views race is not a social construct and being racist is natural fly in the face of modern Science. He definately has both these views, he also has the idea in a thread with Ziggy many black people have lower IQ's and this is genetic. Again worth a search, these comments are specific to certain races only though from him. Mainly black people. No doubt because he knows I have a mixed race child or perhaps not, ill give him the benefit of the doubt there. It's subjective but these views are abhorrent to me.Here's one 🙂
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=660256&pagenumber=1
What science?
It's pretty fairly incontrovertible that racial tensions are not a white person problem. Look to India, China, or Japan.
I don't know what this science is, but the fact we're even having this conversation sort of undermines the idea that racism isn't in some way hard coded in humans..
Originally posted by -Pr-I agree it's easy to be on a witch hunt, nobody wants that. He has made that generalisation too more than once re Asians smarter etc. I'm not going to call him a nazi, again without something definitive to point to in the now, not the then. Trumpers imho, have normalised hate speak to a point, at least in terms of most people confronting it. The lack of challenge and propagation by Trumpers of pizza gate, Qanon and stop the steal seems solid evidence of this. Even the Covid, vaccination, anti vaxxer and 5G stuff shows a different reality to one evidence based.
That would be pretty ****y all right. Though now you have me wondering is it one of those "asians are smarter, and white people are smack in the middle" kind of obscene generalities people use.Either way, if you can't find it, no problem.
The problem I have with parts of that, is that what people call "coded" language, isn't always as such. We have to be very careful in picking out which things are people trying to be insidious, and which things are honest mistakes or bad phrasing. It's that "when you hold a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail" problem.
In the case of some of the Trumpers though, yeah, a lot of them can be pretty ****ing bad. Some of the phrasing I've seen isn't very good at all.
Originally posted by cdtmDo you see yourself as racist?
What science?It's pretty fairly incontrovertible that racial tensions are not a white person problem. Look to India, China, or Japan.
I don't know what this science is, but the fact we're even having this conversation sort of undermines the idea that racism isn't in some way hard coded in humans..