Thanos vs. WW, Aquaman and Cyborg

Originally posted by Dominis
Are you suggesting Wonder Woman is against killing or against slicing off heads?

Either way, she has the ability to do both, and has done the former. Saying she wouldn't is saying she would purposely hold back doing something she clearly has the ability to do (provided there is an opening to do so, though if not, it would be contingent on the opponent's skill, not her lack of ability).

For example, I don't hit woman, but if we were to discuss a hypothetical scenario where I would, then, in most cases, I have what it takes to absolutely hurt her (unless the woman is someone like Ronda Rousey or Cris Cyborg lol).

According to h1, if you want to suggest a tactic for a character, you have to provide a feat of them performing that exact tactic or it doesn't count.

I'm just holding h1 to his own standards.

Originally posted by h1a8

You keep saying that, yet you've not posted a single feat to back it up.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's not against her character to do so. She also can slice off limbs. That's a win too.
If someone has two ways to win then arguing against one of the ways is dumb. Why? Because it doesn't defeat the argument that they win.

It wasn't against Cap's character to tackle someone yet you still asked for an exact example of Cap tackling someone. So I ask the same from you: please provide an instance where WW decapitated someone otherwise your claim has no bearing.

Originally posted by Dominis
Are you suggesting Wonder Woman is against killing or against slicing off heads?

Either way, she has the ability to do both, and has done the former. Saying she wouldn't is saying she would purposely hold back doing something she clearly has the ability to do (provided there is an opening to do so, though if not, it would be contingent on the opponent's skill, not her lack of ability).

So why do you think she never used the said tactic against Luddendorf or Ares or Steppenwolf?

Originally posted by FrothByte
It wasn't against Cap's character to tackle someone yet you still asked for an exact example of Cap tackling someone. So I ask the same from you: please provide an instance where WW decapitated someone otherwise your claim has no bearing.

I gave two possible scenarios where WW wins. Trying to defeat one of them doesn't defeat the other. You have to defeat both in order to have a rebuttal. Otherwise you are just trolling the thread.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So why do you think she never used the said tactic against Luddendorf or Ares or Steppenwolf?

Walk up and slice off their heads? I'm sure she would have if they made it that easy and left such an opening.

I'm not arguing whether or not she can simply do that to Thanos, but if he lacks the speed and skill to prevent it, well...

What I'm saying is that just because we don't see her slicing off heads doesn't mean it's something she would never be willing to do. That's the logic I do often see in vs debates tho, so I didn't know if Silent Master was serious, until he said he was just calling out h1a8 on his supposed double standard.

Originally posted by h1a8
I gave two possible scenarios where WW wins. Trying to defeat one of them doesn't defeat the other. You have to defeat both in order to have a rebuttal. Otherwise you are just trolling the thread.

Where are your feats where WW uses those exact tactics?

Originally posted by h1a8
I gave two possible scenarios where WW wins. Trying to defeat one of them doesn't defeat the other. You have to defeat both in order to have a rebuttal. Otherwise you are just trolling the thread.

You're dodging the question. Why do you need specific examples for Cap but not for WW?

Let's cut to the chase.
These 3 already got their shit pushed in at the same time and were helpless against Steppenwolf. And Stepp would get curb stomped by Thanos or even Endgame/Infinity War Thor.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Let's cut to the chase.
These 3 already got their shit pushed in at the same time and were helpless against Steppenwolf. And Stepp would get curb stomped by Thanos or even Endgame/Infinity War Thor.

This is a forum fight.
WW has superspeed as a power. She will use her powers to the best of her ability. So either she didn't use superspeed on Steppenwolf and it is PIS or Steppenwolf is superfast (as she is).

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're dodging the question. Why do you need specific examples for Cap but not for WW?

WW wins by the argument I gave. You either agree or disagree. Anything else is derailing the thread.

P.S. WW has sliced off limbs and will do so. Cap has tackled and will attempt to do so if he feels he has to.

New name for h1:

Duck Dodgers! 😱

He ducks BZ challenges. And dodges questions he can’t answer!

😄

Originally posted by h1a8
This is a forum fight.
WW has superspeed as a power. She will use her powers to the best of her ability. So either she didn't use superspeed on Steppenwolf and it is PIS or Steppenwolf is superfast (as she is).

IOW, you were trolling Nib when you demanded exact feats for Cap?

Originally posted by h1a8
WW wins by the argument I gave. You either agree or disagree. Anything else is derailing the thread.

P.S. WW has sliced off limbs and will do so. Cap has tackled and will attempt to do so if he feels he has to.

Was this in reply to me? Because I don't see any answer to my question at all. It's like you're talking about a completely different topic. So let me repeat my question: why did you ask for a specific tackling feat for Cap but refuse to give a beheading feat for WW?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Was this in reply to me? Because I don't see any answer to my question at all. It's like you're talking about a completely different topic. So let me repeat my question: why did you ask for a specific tackling feat for Cap but refuse to give a beheading feat for WW?

All trolling aside. I ask for objectivity (no bias) in reply to this post.
Failure will result in loss of discussion about the topic. I'll just continue to argue WW wins.

Here goes.
To me, it is reasonable that if a person is willing to cut off limbs and also kill then they will have the propensity to attempt to behead. Perhaps not right away. Now I could be wrong here. But that's just my feeling. Now if you honestly disagree that WW will ever try to behead then I can accept that and we can argue around it. But be honest.

Nib stated Cap will shoot and tackle Ozy to the ground and submit him.
I never recalled Cap ever tackling someone to the ground (I was wrong). I recalled that he was a pure stand up fighter like IPman. Would asking for proof that IP man will tshoot and tackle someone to the ground if someone is caiming he will reasonable? In other words, Should we ask for proof that Ip man will tackle or just accept it if someone claim it? And is tackling someone to the ground for Ip man as improbable as WW trying to behead eventually?

In conclusion, slicing off limbs combined with the willingness to kill implies a possibility to attempt to behead in my eyes. But nothing IP man did suggests that he will ever tackle someone to the ground and submit them. There is nothing to infer from. It's completely out of character while beheading is not. They are simply not comparable in a reasonable sense. But again, I could be wrong.

What do you think? Again be objective as possible. Easier said than done I know.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you were trolling Nib when you demanded exact feats for Cap?

So would you accept that a pure stand up fighter (like Ip man) would suddenly shoot and tackle someone to the ground if they never was shown to (in that case they wouldn't be a pure striker anymore)?

If that were true, then the 10 examples I posted of Cap using tactics other than "stand up fighting" would have been enough proof, yet you claimed they weren't(even though they included both tackles and ground and pound). only Nib posting a feat where Cap used the specific tactics in the correct order counted.

So again, why does Cap need exact feats, but WW doesn't?

Originally posted by Silent Master
If that were true, then the 10 examples I posted of Cap using tactics other than "stand up fighting" would have been enough proof, yet you claimed they weren't(even though they included both tackles and ground and pound). only Nib posting a feat where Cap used the specific tactics in the correct order counted.

So again, why does Cap need exact feats, but WW doesn't?

No the examples you posted were shit. They had nothing to do with Cap shooting and tackling someone to the ground in a h2h fight. You suck at logic. Nib posted the required feat.

I edited the other post too. I replied to your post at the bottom.

Originally posted by h1a8
No the examples you posted were shit. They had nothing to do with Cap shooting and tackling someone to the ground in a h2h fight. You suck at logic. Nib posted the required feat.

Wrong, I listed the Batroc example, which you later admitted counted, I also listed Cap tackling someone off an armored vehicle.

Also if only "shooting and tackling someone to the ground in a h2h fight" counts, then where is the example of WW cutting someone's head off in a h2h fight?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Wrong, I listed the Batroc example, which you later admitted counted, I also listed Cap tackling someone off an armored vehicle.

Also if only "shooting and tackling someone to the ground in a h2h fight" counts, then where is the example of WW cutting someone's head off in a h2h fight?

You did not list the Batroc example. You listed shitty examples.
All you had to do is post that one.

The others do not even remotely show that Cap will shoot and tackle someone to the ground as in Nibvs claim.

As far as the rest of your post. I addressed this in the previous post in detail.

Originally posted by h1a8
You did not list the Batroc example. You listed shitty examples.
All you had to do is post that one.

The others do not even remotely show that Cap will shoot and tackle someone to the ground as in Nibvs claim.

As far as the rest of your post. I addressed this in the previous post in detail.

Proof that h1 is a liar.

Here we go, first the two I've already mentioned

1. Cap tackles Red Skull into the flight chair
2. Cap grapples with his younger self

Now, some new ones
3. Cap tackles a soldier off an armored vehicle in his first movie
4. Cap grabs a chitauri in a headlock and then throws him over a railing in Avengers
5. Cap tackles Batroc in Winter Soldier
6-9. Cap uses throws against four people in Winter Soldier
10. Cap throws Iron-man to the ground and then procedes to ground and pound him with the shield in Civil War.

/Thread over.