Thanos vs. WW, Aquaman and Cyborg

Originally posted by h1a8
Omfg
Why cant you understand English?
I DIDN'T ASK FOR EXAMPLES OF CAP GRAPPLING!

NIBEDICUS STATED CAP WILL SHOOT AND TACKLE OZY TO THE GROUND AND THEN SUBMIT HIM (OR GROUND AND POUND). This is because Comedian was shown pushing Ozy back to the wall.

I didn't recall Cap ever tackling someone to the ground. I only remember Cap bring a pure striker. I told Nib that was OOC.

Silent brings stupid ass examples where non of them show Cap tackling someone to the ground. Nibedicus then gives the correct example (Batroc). Silent then piggyback off Nib. I agree with Nib.
Silent lies and states he has been gave the Batroc example (he didn't). He gave dumb illogical examples instead.

Do you understand now?

And I explained the beheading logic in a previous post.

You didn't answer the questions.

See, you say you only remember Cap being a pure striker, yet Silent gave you some examples of Cap grappling yet you still consider him a pure striker?

Originally posted by h1a8

Endgame example has Cap counter a punch with a judo throw. He didn't tackle and take to the ground.

Originally posted by h1a8

In another scene he caught a punch from Cap and Judo threw him down.

In fact, you were very adamant that, regardless of the logic multiple people gave you on why Cap can tackle and ground and pound (a very basic move that even a schoolyard bully knows how to do) you refuse to acknowledge that he can do it unless someone gave you a specific example of him doing so:

Originally posted by h1a8
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We are talking about tackling someone to the ground and then either submission or ground and pound. That entire combination. Everything else is irrelevant.

So I ask again, why are you unwilling to apply the same logic for yourself and provide a specific example of WW beheading someone? In your own words, it should be the entire combination of the move. Everything else is irrelevant.

Originally posted by FrothByte
See, you say you only remember Cap being a pure striker, yet Silent gave you some examples of Cap grappling yet you still consider him a pure striker?

You ignored my post that explains how beheading can be inferred from WW's actions. IP man tackling someone to the ground (via a shoot) can not be inferred in any way.

In fact, you were very adamant that, regardless of the logic multiple people gave you on why Cap can tackle and ground and pound (a very basic move that even a schoolyard bully knows how to do) you refuse to acknowledge that he can do it unless someone gave you a specific example of him doing so:

So I ask again, why are you unwilling to apply the same logic for yourself and provide a specific example of WW beheading someone? In your own words, it should be the entire combination of the move. Everything else is irrelevant.

I wasn't arguing that Cap doesn't know how to tackle. I was arguing that he wouldn't choose to even attempt to tackle (no propensity to tackle).
Pure strikers (like IP man) don't suddenly attempt to tackle someone to the ground.

I gave why we can infer that WW can attempt to behead based off her actions. We can't ever infer that IP man will shoot and tackle someone to the ground. They are not comparable in the least.

AND I DID USE THE SAME LOGIC. I STATED THAT WW PROBABLY WON'T BEHEAD (AT LEAST RIGHT AWAY). BUT SHE WILL ATTEMPT TO CUT OFF LIMBS.

Originally posted by h1a8
I wasn't arguing that Cap doesn't know how to tackle. I was arguing that he wouldn't choose to even attempt to tackle (no propensity to tackle).
Pure strikers (like IP man) don't suddenly attempt to tackle someone to the ground.

I gave why we can infer that WW can attempt to behead based off her actions. We can't ever infer that IP man will shoot and tackle someone to the ground. They are not comparable in the least.

AND I DID USE THE SAME LOGIC. I STATED THAT WW PROBABLY WON'T BEHEAD (AT LEAST RIGHT AWAY). BUT SHE WILL ATTEMPT TO CUT OFF LIMBS.

Except that Cap is not a pure striker and has grappled on numerous occasions. Besides, you didn't just want a feat of him tackling somebody, you wanted a feat of him tackling and then ground and pounding specifically, in that exact combination. Your words, not mine.

So I ask again, why aren't you providing proof of WW blitzing someone then beheading them in that exact combination?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except that Cap is not a pure striker and has grappled on numerous occasions. Besides, you didn't just want a feat of him tackling somebody, you wanted a feat of him tackling and then ground and pounding specifically, in that exact combination. Your words, not mine.

So I ask again, why aren't you providing proof of WW blitzing someone then beheading them in that exact combination?

Cap grappling isn't the same as shooting and tackling someone to the ground. Ip man has grappled. But he never tackled someone to the ground. You are pretty stupid if you think Ip man will tackle someone to the ground and submit them or ground and pound them.

If I didn't want a feat of him tackling someone didn't I wouldn't have accepted the Batroc feat. I would still argue against it. You know I accepted Cap both tackling and ground and pound/submission right away? I didn't argue the showing at all.

In a minute, I'm about to give up this discussion. You keep ignoring my post. Read where I gave the reasoning behind the beheading. I even stated that WW won't try to behead multiple times. You keep insisting that is my argument. WW will attempt to slice off limbs before she ever tries to behead.

Your reasoning boils down to, I didn't want to accept the tactic, so I made up a BS excuse to demand Nib post a specific feat for Cap vs I wanted WW to use a certain tactic, so no specific feats needed.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap grappling isn't the same as shooting and tackling someone to the ground. Ip man has grappled. But he never tackled someone to the ground. You are pretty stupid if you think Ip man will tackle someone to the ground and submit them or ground and pound them.

If I didn't want a feat of him tackling someone didn't I wouldn't have accepted the Batroc feat. I would still argue against it. You know I accepted Cap both tackling and ground and pound/submission right away? I didn't argue the showing at all.

In a minute, I'm about to give up this discussion. You keep ignoring my post. Read where I gave the reasoning behind the beheading. I even stated that WW won't try to behead multiple times. You keep insisting that is my argument. WW will attempt to slice off limbs before she ever tries to behead.

And as I've said before: tackling someone and then ground and pounding him is a very basic maneuver that almost anybody can do. And yes, that includes Ip Man. Just because he can do fancy chain punches doesn't mean he's above tackling someone if he needs to.

Matter of fact, trying to cut someone's head off is far more difficult than simply tackling someone. So if you're unwilling to assume that Cap can tackle then ground n pound despite him showing the capacity to grapple, then all the more you should be of the opinion that WW can't just behead someone just because she's cut off a hand... simply because cutting off the head is far more complicated than cutting off a hand.

Still, you're missing the point. You wanted an example of Cap doing exactly what you were asking, in the exact same order. So I ask again: Where is your proof of WW doing exactly what you were stating?

Or are you willing to admit that you can't provide that proof and thus will no longer claim that she can do so?

Originally posted by FrothByte
And as I've said before: tackling someone and then ground and pounding him is a very basic maneuver that almost anybody can do. And yes, that includes Ip Man. Just because he can do fancy chain punches doesn't mean he's above tackling someone if he needs to.

Matter of fact, trying to cut someone's head off is far more difficult than simply tackling someone. So if you're unwilling to assume that Cap can tackle then ground n pound despite him showing the capacity to grapple, then all the more you should be of the opinion that WW can't just behead someone just because she's cut off a hand... simply because cutting off the head is far more complicated than cutting off a hand.

Still, you're missing the point. You wanted an example of Cap doing exactly what you were asking, in the exact same order. So I ask again: Where is your proof of WW doing exactly what you were stating?

Or are you willing to admit that you can't provide that proof and thus will no longer claim that she can do so?

Cap will tackle if he needs to? Well Cap was getting beat down by Loki. He didn't try to tackle. Ip man was getting beat down and never resorted to tackling someone. You are reaching here by saying they will tackle if they need to. That's BS. Cap will because of the Batroc scene but not IP man.

I studied kung fu many years ago. We learned lots of grappling. But never tackling someone to the ground. In the few fights I had I never had the propensity to tackle someone and neither did the people I fought.

Now WW viewing Thanos as a statue and just slicing his head off would be the most easiest thing to do. Why? Because Thanos isn't moving. But again, I conceded that she most likely will not attempt that. So what is your point?

If it's such an easy thing for her to do, why has WW never cut off anyone's head?

Originally posted by Silent Master
If it's such an easy thing for her to do, why has WW never cut off anyone's head?

PIS

Originally posted by h1a8
No, I wanted proof that Cap tackles someone to the ground. I corrected myself and stated that's what I meant.

Cap will tackle if he needs to? Well Cap was getting beat down by Loki. He didn't try to tackle. Ip man was getting beat down and never resorted to tackling someone. You are reaching here by saying they will tackle if they need to. That's BS. Cap will because of the Batroc scene but not IP man.

I studied kung fu many years ago. We learned lots of grappling. But never tackling someone to the ground. In the few fights I had I never had the propensity to tackle someone and neither did the people I fought.

Now WW viewing Thanos as a statue and just slicing his head off would be the most easiest thing to do. Why? Because Thanos isn't moving. But again, I conceded that she most likely will not attempt that. So what is your point?

So you want Cap to tackle Loki, Loki who was so strong that he wasn't even getting knocked back by Cap's flying kicks? Hah! You must know nothing about fighting if you think tackling someone massively stronger than you is the smart thing to do when you already have the speed and skill advantage on your feet. Ditto for IP man. The times he was getting beat up he was either fighting multiple opponents or bigger opponents than himself. Why would he go for a tackle?

We already know from your previous posts that you know nothing about martial arts, so I'll spare you the embarrassment and pretend that you didn't just claim to know kung fu.

So do you agree that since you can't provide a feat of WW cutting someone's head off that she won't be able to do so against Thanos?

Originally posted by h1a8
PIS

In order for it to be PIS, it would have to be something that is in-character, yet she doesn't do it for the sake of plot.

So, prove that cutting someone's head off is in character for WW.

Originally posted by h1a8
PIS

Troll harder

why is h1 peeing on himself 😆 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you want Cap to tackle Loki, Loki who was so strong that he wasn't even getting knocked back by Cap's flying kicks? Hah! You must know nothing about fighting if you think tackling someone massively stronger than you is the smart thing to do when you already have the speed and skill advantage on your feet. Ditto for IP man. The times he was getting beat up he was either fighting multiple opponents or bigger opponents than himself. Why would he go for a tackle?

We already know from your previous posts that you know nothing about martial arts, so I'll spare you the embarrassment and pretend that you didn't just claim to know kung fu.

So do you agree that since you can't provide a feat of WW cutting someone's head off that she won't be able to do so against Thanos?

You claimed that IP man will tackle someone to the ground if he needed to. This is BS and you know it. IP man would die before that happens.

WW will see Thanos as a statue. She could either choose to cut his head off or a limb off. Either way she wins. This thread is spite.

Originally posted by Silent Master
In order for it to be PIS, it would have to be something that is in-character, yet she doesn't do it for the sake of plot.

So, prove that cutting someone's head off is in character for WW.

I did. She cut off limbs. She has killed. She has the ability to to see others as a statue. Altogether gives her the propensity to cut off Thanos head. Does that mean she will? No, but it's certainly in her character to do so. She could win countless ways.
She could slice his throat, lop off a limp, stab him in the chest, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
I did. She cut off limbs. She has killed. She has the ability to to see others as a statue. Altogether gives her the propensity to cut off Thanos head. Does that mean she will? No, but it's certainly in her character to do so. She could win countless ways.
She could slice his throat, lop off a limp, stab him in the chest, etc.

First, she cut off one limb, not limbs. If you have to exaggerate to try and make your point stronger. it's not much of a point. 2nd you can't combine two separate feats to claim something is in-character.

Here is an example to illustrate your faulty logic, WW has hit people. WW has killed. therefore it's in-character for her to punch Batman's head off in a forum fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
You claimed that IP man will tackle someone to the ground if he needed to. This is BS and you know it. IP man would die before that happens.

WW will see Thanos as a statue. She could either choose to cut his head off or a limb off. Either way she wins. This thread is spite.

Don't think I'm not noticing your dodging tactics. But I'm nice and I'll let you get away with it.

I'm curious though why you think it's impossible for IP man to tackle someone if he needs to? You think this is above his skillset?

Also, please show me a clip of WW speedblitzing a skilled opponent and cutting a limb off. Remember that we debate using feats here.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Don't think I'm not noticing your dodging tactics. But I'm nice and I'll let you get away with it.

I'm curious though why you think it's impossible for IP man to tackle someone if he needs to? You think this is above his skillset?

Also, please show me a clip of WW speedblitzing a skilled opponent and cutting a limb off. Remember that we debate using feats here.

Skill and propensity are two different things.

It does not take skill to attempt to try to tackle.

Me showing you a clip has nothing to do with a forum fight.
Characters fight to the best of their ability.
WW would fight using her top speed and perceptions at all times.
That means Thanos would be a statue and he will be killed right after the bell. That's my argument and it won't change.

Originally posted by h1a8
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Me showing you a clip has nothing to do with a forum fight.
Characters fight to the best of their ability.

Seems you need to be reminded of the mvf golden rule:

The MVF Golden Rule:
What is seen on screen is canon in these forums.

If your character you wish to use has feats/actions/handicaps that contradict what that character did on screen (movie canon), then it is a violation and is illegal.

MOVIE FEATS ONLY!

So I ask again, does WW have any feat where she speedblitzed a skilled opponent, making them look like a statue, then chopped a limb off?

Originally posted by h1a8
Skill and propensity are two different things.

It does not take skill to attempt to try to tackle.

Me showing you a clip has nothing to do with a forum fight.
Characters fight to the best of their ability.
WW would fight using her top speed and perceptions at all times.
That means Thanos would be a statue and he will be killed right after the bell. That's my argument and it won't change.

Feats of Wonder Woman fighting someone like you're claiming.