Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, I am not saying there would be no physical damage. There would undoubtedly be physical damage.But it's not going to be the physical force of Hercules's strongest punch, multiplied by 133.45.
It will be the mystical energy given off when Hercules punches, multiplied by 133.45. How much is this? A lot, to be sure, but not the physical force.
How are we in disagreement then? If we see the same thing, there's really nothing to discuss. The Hulk took the hit and survived.
So we agree that it's not the total energy (and never was) from Herc's punch, but just the mystical component from his punch?
To use the nuclear bomb analogy, it's only the sound (or the radiation) part of the explosion, and NOT the full energy (heat+concussion+sound+radiation) given off by the explosion.
In short, we can't take the physical force from Hercules's strongest punch, and multiply by 133.45?
Is Rappacini 0.5 times as physically strong as an all-out punch from Herc?
Is WBH at his angriest/strongest, only 20% of Hercules?
Is Cho 5% of Hercules' strongest punch? So 20 Korean-American kids =1 Hercules? And 4 Korean-American kids = 1 WBH?
All Hercs are, are a measure of how mystical an item/person is. Ares would be 1 or 2 Hercs. Gladiator would be 0. It has no relation to their strength levels.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So we agree that it's not the total energy (and never was) from Herc's punch, but just the mystical component from his punch?To use the nuclear bomb analogy, it's only the sound (or the radiation) part of the explosion, and NOT the full energy (heat+concussion+sound+radiation) given off by the explosion.
In short, we can't take the physical force from Hercules's strongest punch, and multiply by 133.45?
It's maybe important to say, although already implied, that a conventional non nuclear bomb can have a bigger payload, that does more damage to it's target v.s. a small payload nuclear bomb that doesnt destroy it's target, but does irradiate it.
Originally posted by ilikecomics
If a herc is specifically a unit of energy based on an all out punch, if it were measuring the physical component of his punch wouldnt that mean herc would be greater than 1 herc? Surely with godly stamina herc is more than capable of throwing one punch.
Specifically a unit of MYSTICAL energy.
Originally posted by ilikecomics
It's maybe important to say, although already implied, that a conventional non nuclear bomb can have a bigger payload, that does more damage to it's target v.s. a small payload nuclear bomb that doesnt destroy it's target, but does irradiate it.
Precisely my point.
Ares is that small nuke. Gladiator is that giant conventional bomb. Ares is more 'radioactive' than Gladiator, but that doesn't mean he does more damage than Glads.
And tanking Ares, doesn't mean you can tank Gladiator. Because Glads does way more damage, compared to Ares, despite not being as 'strong' radioactively speaking.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Put it this way.Ares and.....Sentry. or Gladiator. All three punch something as hard as they can (assume merged DS Sentry).
Ares would be 1 Herc (possibly even....2? As Hercules is *only* a demigod). Gladiator would be....0Hercs, as he's not mythological at all.
Is Ares stronger than Gladiator?
So the book went out of its way to tie the measurement of a "herc" specifically to Herc's punch output, but it has nothing to do with his str or power output? And called it a herc of all things.. 😂 Hmm....
Because herc is a demigod, he is definitively less "magical"?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So the book went out of its way to tie the measurement of a "herc" specifically to Herc's punch output, but it has nothing to do with his str or power output? And called it a herc of all thing.. 😂 Hmm....Because herc is a demigod, he is definitively less "magical"?
Did I say 'Definitively'? No.
Did I say nothing to do with power output? No. I even posted the scan of what energy it is measuring 😂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So people can grasp what a Herc is.The point (which you're failing to grasp) is that Ares is more magical than Gladiator, so would radiate more Hercs than Glads.
That doesn't mean anything about how their strength levels compare.
For example, could it be that her machine characterized herc's phyiscal output as mystical because that's what it was specifically made for?
Could it be that if she used nonmagical equipment to read tbe output, it would most likely be equivalent to a herc(magical designation)?
Could it be that the the max mystical energy in a herc though measured from a physical act was designated as mystical because of Hercules' mystical nature?
Not sure if ure missing the forest for the trees on purpose.
Like if pak used this story tool again(hercs) and had a giant mythical creature's energy output measured at 10 hercs after a punch, he didnt actually mean the creature could be considered much stronger than Hercules.... You know like some where 10 times more powerful give or take... I mean come on.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thats faulty. No one is missing that point. Instead of accepting what's pretty obvious from the comic, u r complicating it.
Because of your stance, u end up opening unneeded rabbit holes.For example, could it be that her machine characterized herc's phyiscal output as mystical because that's what it was specifically made for?
Could it be that if she used nonmagical equipment to read tbe output, it would most likely be equivalent to a herc(magical designation)?
Could it be that the the max mystical energy in a herc though measured from a physical act was designated as mystical because of Hercules' mystical nature?
Not sure if ure missing the forest for the trees on purpose.
Like if pak used this story tool again(hercs) and had a giant mythical creature's energy output measured at 10 hercs after a punch, he didnt actually mean the creature could be considered much stronger than Hercules.... You know like some where 10 times more powerful give or take...
No.
Because she specifically says what a Herc measures. The energy radiated by a mythological item/person. I'm not complicating things at all. Its a measure of the energy radiated my mythological beings. Nothing more, nothing less..
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No one is disputing that it measured mystical energy.
Carver did. Stoic did at one point. You not disputing it doesn't mean no one did.
My point is that it's not a physical unit, and never was. Ares being 1, 2, 0.5, whatever Hercs doesn't mean that tanking his punch would enable you to tank someone who has 0 Hercs.
Its a measure of how magical something is. As you say it measures mystical energy.
Gladiator, Supreme, Superman, Thing, Luke Cage....these are all non mystical beings. They'd all have 0 Hercs.
My quibble is that I have frequently seen 'Hulk withstood 133.45 Hercs in his lungs!!! That's above herald feat!!!' Punches from <insert physical being> would do nothing to him!'.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver did. Stoic did at one point. You not disputing it doesn't mean no one did.My point is that it's not a physical unit, and never was. Ares being 1, 2, 0.5, whatever Hercs doesn't mean that tanking his punch would enable you to tank someone who has 0 Hercs.
Its a measure of how magical something is. As you say it measures mystical energy.
Gladiator, Supreme, Superman, Thing, Luke Cage....these are all non mystical beings. They'd all have 0 Hercs.
My quibble is that I have frequently seen 'Hulk withstood 133.45 Hercs in his lungs!!! That's above herald feat!!!' Punches from <insert physical being> would do nothing to him!'.