Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well it's a bait thread, so not sure what the mods can do. If we're reported for going off topic, it's because the OP has created a bait/spite thread.
I thought I'd make an argument based on using AJA's own arguments against him. In his BZ he's reping Doctor Fate and Alan Scott. Let's take his descriptions at face value.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilDr fate' s power is felt In two universes
https://imgur.com/a/PpFqUX6Easily manhandles two multiversal threats
https://imgur.com/a/mxRXZJ8Survived getting slammed through an infinity amount of dimensions
https://imgur.com/a/RQM7ZC1Spectre confirmed fate's his equal during pre crisis
https://imgur.com/a/Oc3NbcgWho's mere aura warps the multiverse
https://imgur.com/a/LPuGxLqEclipso who stole mere fragments of the starheart from Alan killed crispus Allen
https://imgur.com/a/GxsrIHVCrispus Allen while greatly weakened warps reality on a multiversal scale
https://imgur.com/a/LBidjZAAnd easily undo his action
https://imgur.com/a/oCJI24IWhen Cain said creation he was referring to multiverse
https://imgur.com/a/rYSz0zDSummary: my has future knowledge on the other team's strategy
And thus my team could easily counter or avoid any attack unleashed by team Thor
Both alan and Dr fate a way more faster and powerful at least multiversal + as I showcase
Supermutant will have to prove his attacks would work on beings on that level or we'll just consider it a no limit fallacy
Till then I rest my case here
For Doctor Fate he shows Fate's power being felt in two universes, "easily manhandles two multiverse threats," his words, survives being slammed through infinite dimensions, and being confirmed by Spectre as Corrigan Spectre's equal (before his powers weakened). Then showing Spectre's aura threatened the multiverse.
He also seems to be arguing Ecpliso with s fraction of Alan's power killed Crispus Spectre, and this Spectre while weekend fixed the multiverse. Arguing both are multiverse plus in power. The feats he gave for Doctor Fate are what I would expect for high end feats for Odin.
Well, who is someone Superman has taken the mystical blasts of? Mordru.
https://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesmordrumagic1.jpg
https://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesmordrumagic2.jpg
Argue all you want about he attacked after Kinetix blasted Mordru, he still is fine after. How powerful is Mordru? Well remember all those feats AJA gave for Doctor Fate and Eclipso killing Spectre with a fragment of the Starheart(remember taking AJA at face value)? Mordru wreck Doctor Fate. After Fate amped himself on energy from both Alan and Hal. And this was Mordru at half power.
But wait..... there's more!! It wasn't actually Mordru, but his astral projection.
So the astral projection of a half powered Mordru casually wrecked a double amped Doctor Fate, which at base AJA argued is multiverse plus level, one he's amped on was Alan Scott who AJA also argued multiverse plus level, and Superman took the blast of a full powered real Mordru. Not counting it took a thousand sorcerers, the least of which was as powerful as Fate, to weaken him(but could be hyperbole). But that's not something Odin level?
And AJA argued in this very thread how even JLA/AVENGERS says magick is different in the two universes.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I'm saying Superman isn't Thanos, Thanos is resistant to magic, Superman isn't. Thanos IS THAT durable, Superman isn't. Re read Dambo and my scans, They were posted for a reason. There's too many instances of magic overwhelming superman, I would spam some but im out. Also Marvel's version of Odin is > than DC's, magic works differently in the MU, and Rune Magic can actually affect those that are supposedly immune to magic.
Even in JLA/Avengers, it showed that magic works very differently in DC than it does in Marvel.In DC, there are very few Rune Magic users. Lucifer is one of them. In Marvel, standard Asgardian Magic is based on Rune Magic. That's what makes it so powerful compared to the magic used by guys like Dr. Strange or Mordu. Rune Magic uses the "True Name" of the target/object/person it's cast on to change, destroy, transmute, drain, etc. the target. It bypasses all forms of Magic Resistance. [/B]
Granted he goes on a long explanation that looks like he's making excuses for ignoring Superman's feats. The problem with his argument outside that is he explicitly brings up JLA/AVENGERS which says magick is more powerful in DC.
So a canon source he cites contradicts his argument.
But hey, whatever to downgrade Superman, amiright?
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Lol at people using the space merc instance. He’d just fought his was through 25,000 iirc so surely his durability would falter at some point.
I brought that up because YOU used it previously as an example of him against edged weapons, and checked it and found it legit. And DarkSaint was making a specific argument about averages to show why he thought the Odin fight was a high showing, and trying to remember something, so I pointed it out.
But.....why is it relevant how many he fought? Is his durability fueled by an energy source and he merely ran low? I'm not sure why him fighting so much would lower his durability unless his powers work like Superman in regards to being a battery that can run out.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I brought that up because YOU used it previously as an example of him against edged weapons, and checked it and found it legit. And DarkSaint was making a specific argument about averages to show why he thought the Odin fight was a high showing, and trying to remember something, so I pointed it out.But.....why is it relevant how many he fought? Is his durability fueled by an energy source and he merely ran low? I'm not sure why him fighting so much would lower his durability unless his powers work like Superman in regards to being a battery that can run out.
Wassup Delta.
Originally posted by Delta1938everybody’s durability has a breaking after a certain amount of punishment. That one instant hardly brings down Thanos average as his good/high feats far out way his low ones. Odin himself has a amount of low feats but his average is still high.
I brought that up because YOU used it previously as an example of him against edged weapons, and checked it and found it legit. And DarkSaint was making a specific argument about averages to show why he thought the Odin fight was a high showing, and trying to remember something, so I pointed it out.But.....why is it relevant how many he fought? Is his durability fueled by an energy source and he merely ran low? I'm not sure why him fighting so much would lower his durability unless his powers work like Superman in regards to being a battery that can run out.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I thought I'd make an argument based on using AJA's own arguments against him. In his BZ he's reping Doctor Fate and Alan Scott. Let's take his descriptions at face value.For Doctor Fate he shows Fate's power being felt in two universes, "easily manhandles two multiverse threats," his words, survives being slammed through infinite dimensions, and being confirmed by Spectre as Corrigan Spectre's equal (before his powers weakened). Then showing Spectre's aura threatened the multiverse.
He also seems to be arguing Ecpliso with s fraction of Alan's power killed Crispus Spectre, and this Spectre while weekend fixed the multiverse. Arguing both are multiverse plus in power. The feats he gave for Doctor Fate are what I would expect for high end feats for Odin.
Well, who is someone Superman has taken the mystical blasts of? Mordru.
https://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesmordrumagic1.jpg
https://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesmordrumagic2.jpg
Argue all you want about he attacked after Kinetix blasted Mordru, he still is fine after. How powerful is Mordru? Well remember all those feats AJA gave for Doctor Fate and Eclipso killing Spectre with a fragment of the Starheart(remember taking AJA at face value)? Mordru wreck Doctor Fate. After Fate amped himself on energy from both Alan and Hal. And this was Mordru at half power.
But wait..... there's more!! It wasn't actually Mordru, but his astral projection.
So the astral projection of a half powered Mordru casually wrecked a double amped Doctor Fate, which at base AJA argued is multiverse plus level, one he's amped on was Alan Scott who AJA also argued multiverse plus level, and Superman took the blast of a full powered real Mordru. Not counting it took a thousand sorcerers, the least of which was as powerful as Fate, to weaken him(but could be hyperbole). But that's not something Odin level?
And AJA argued in this very thread how even JLA/AVENGERS says magick is different in the two universes.
Granted he goes on a long explanation that looks like he's making excuses for ignoring Superman's feats. The problem with his argument outside that is he explicitly brings up JLA/AVENGERS which says magick is more powerful in DC.
So a canon source he cites contradicts his argument.
But hey, whatever to downgrade Superman, amiright?
😂 😂 Imagine using my BZ to make a point, that's actually sad. and creepy. That should honestly be reported since it's still on going
I don't need to "downgrade' Superman, DC does it FOR me consistently and I just post what DC SHOWS us. go argue with the writers
I got more scans though. This is why CV and other sites mock superman fanboys like you, because you outright ignore the writers intent and go on with your head canon. Let's see you ignore these facts though:
another time he was dying from being in a magical place
Let's see what it says
"JUST STANDING IN THIS PLACE IS KILLING HIM. HIS BODY REJECTS MAGIC."
Couldn't do shit against swamp thing because his fbers are made of magic wonder what magic Odin got coursing through it right lol probably lemon juice or something. BTW THIS WAS RECENT
you fanboys say it's vulnerability but DC literally says weakness lol
"So THE MIGHTY HERO HAS A WEAKNESS..MAGIC"
So does it says vulnerability or weakness to the right sometimes I can't read what official by this big comic book companies
"WEAKNESSES? Kryptonite. Magic
DC BLATANTLY spells this out and let the dudes with common sense know, but we got die hard superman rescue protectors that fail and fail from time to time at protecting captain underpants. Now watch you ignore these showings again and call me a LoWbAlLeR 😂
That's why he shouldn't fairly be able to. This is something that can't be ignored. Thanos has high durability in all areas. Particularly with magic, tp, cosmic, decay, reality warps, etc. All this talk about him being weak is nonsense. He can punk a Phoenix avy which places questions on Odin beating him in his later pre ascended form. The Phoenix is above Odin, or can challenge him on even ground. Tanking hits from a cosmic cube are other signs that his fight with Odin was pretty average. The Avengers were a one time thing. It's as close to PIS as it gets. Thanos resisted forces that would've killed Odin when he took control of TOAA's powers.. His resistance, and durability is universal in scope.
The OP makes it pretty clear that this is an unamped Superman. I still don't see him no selling a force that he would be vulnerable to. It wouldn't make sense.
Originally posted by Stoic
That's why he shouldn't fairly be able to. This is something that can't be ignored. Thanos has high durability in all areas. Particularly with magic, tp, cosmic, decay, reality warps, etc. All this talk about him being weak is nonsense. He can punk a Phoenix avy which places questions on Odin beating him in his later pre ascended form. The Phoenix is above Odin, or can challenge him on even ground. Tanking hits from a cosmic cube are other signs that his fight with Odin was pretty average. The Avengers were a one time thing. It's as close to PIS as it gets. Thanos resisted forces that would've killed Odin when he took control of TOAA's powers.. His resistance, and durability is universal in scope.The OP makes it pretty clear that this is an unamped Superman. I still don't see him no selling a force that he would be vulnerable to. It wouldn't make sense.
Here's another one. DC BLATANTLY confirms that Supes is just as vulnerable to magic as any other mortal but i'm such a lowballer!! 😂
Cannot stress this enough
