The point he was trying to make about "the heat of 10 billion suns" is moot, though, because the only real effect it had was making Thought-Robot say "ouch" for a second. You can't quantify damage/vulnerability based solely on that. Again: Lego meet foot.
The assertion that Thought-Robot is 'featless' is just flat-out hysterical to me, because it entirely ignores the threat of Mandrakk across the board, and shows a gross lack of basic reading comprehension skills. But I also get that people are just trolling/lowballing for the most part... because that's what you have to do in a Superman thread these days...so it's not a discussion I'm going to entertain beyond this. Just amusing, is all. 🙂
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lots of characters are used as plot devices, that doesn't inherently make them more powerful than another cosmic being. Neither does "controlling the story". That's just another way of expressing reality warping.Thought Robot has a measily 2 issue's of publication history. He fought 1 character with an ambiguous power level and virtually no concrete feats.
It doesn’t matter how many issues he had
Originally posted by MrMind
that was the limbo, not the multiverse
So I'd argue that the Orrey of Worlds and Limbo are down-scaled in the Monitor Sphere.
That's how it works in DC.
The higher up in the dimensional structure you go, the more infinitesimal the lower dimensions become. From the perspective of the Monitor Sphere, for example, the multiverse is literally microbial. That's why they call it the "germ world."
When these beings opt to travel to the lower dimensions, their size is adjusted/scaled accordingly.
Originally posted by Astner
It's the only feat that's to some degree described in a quantifiable manner. "The heat of ten billion suns," is a bit ambiguous because the Sun's temperature ranges from 5,780 Kelvin at its surface up to 15,700,000 Kelvin in its core, for reference that's 9,940 to 28,300,000 Fahrenheit.If we interpret the heat of ten billion suns as being commutative, i.e. if we simply add together the temperatures of ten billion suns, we end up with 5.78×10¹³ K to 2.38×10¹⁷ K which may seem impressive, but it's a far-cry from for instance the Planck Heat 1.42×10³² K that the Marquis of Death endured.
And this is a generous estimation, because what it means is that these suns would have to be super-positioned (exist in the same space) because a quasar that's simply ten billion times the mass of the Sun is going to have the same effective temperature of the sun, with the exception of the core which peaks at 4×10¹² K.
Surviving these temperatures would be an impressive feat for regular Superman. But when you talk about cosmic level beings, then no naturally occurring force should be able to hurt them.
If we assume the heat capacity of CAS is 5*10^6 J/K (a rough order-of-magnitude estimate) then the heat of "ten billion suns" would increase his temperature by 2*10^47 K. That's way more than the Planck temperature.
let's not fixated on the heat of ten billion suns, that's more like metaphor than anything. mandrakk and thot robot were not fighting in the the physical realm of the dc multiverse
people still fixated on power of energy beam or how many multiverses did it destroy, should not comment on thot robot thread, period. trying to apply scientific concepts like matter, energy, space, time etc to meta fictional beings is futile.
Thot Robot is superior because of DC's superior cosmology, Nil is infinitely above the 3rd dimensional multiverse, the closest marvel has that resembles dc's higher dimensions is the neutral zone, but the scaling isn't there as far as size and power concerned. The beyond realm certainly has no place in the new marvel cosmology, it is retconned. So it's relative size to marvel's multiverse during the 80s is well...not very relevant.
Originally posted by Galan007
That's how it works in DC.The higher up in the dimensional structure you go, the more infinitesimal the lower dimensions become. From the perspective of the Monitor Sphere, for example, the multiverse is literally microbial. That's why they call it the "germ world."
When these beings opt to travel to the lower dimensions, their size is adjusted/scaled accordingly.
Doesn't this apply to the Beyonder as well?
Originally posted by Magnon
Heat (energy) should be distinguished from temperature. The energy emitted by a star over its lifetime is ca. 10^44 Joules, therefore the heat of "ten billion suns" equals 10^54 Joules.If we assume the heat capacity of CAS is 5*10^6 J/K (a rough order-of-magnitude estimate) then the heat of "ten billion suns" would increase his temperature by 2*10^47 K. That's way more than the Planck temperature.
The energy from a star....is this Joule figure you have quoted just the heat energy, or have you accounted for sound and light etc as well (stars are actually really loud, as you would expect from a giant furnace).