Ash Williams vs Darth Vader

God damn people is it that hard to read an op before commenting?

I am still going with Vader despite Ashes equipment upgrade and here is why.

I don't know who here has ever had any experience or held and swung a 30lb sword or an extended amount of time. But you get tired quickly and a lightsaber is like what 2 or 3 lb you can literally twist it at the wrist and maneuver it is much more versatile ways than you could ever do a solid piece of metal. On top of that even the slightest touch buy a lightsaber would be far more damaging then the same amount of force applied with a metal blade.

Vader also has many more years of experience in combat and with swords/sabers. Also the opponents that Vader has fought or of a higher class then the deadites.

And I love me some ash William but I just not see him taking anything close to the majority here.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
God damn people is it that hard to read an op before commenting?

I am still going with Vader despite Ashes equipment upgrade and here is why.

I don't know who here has ever had any experience or held and swung a 30lb sword or an extended amount of time. But you get tired quickly and a lightsaber is like what 2 or 3 lb you can literally twist it at the wrist and maneuver it is much more versatile ways than you could ever do a solid piece of metal. On top of that even the slightest touch buy a lightsaber would be far more damaging then the same amount of force applied with a metal blade.

Vader also has many more years of experience in combat and with swords/sabers. Also the opponents that Vader has fought or of a higher class then the deadites.

And I love me some ash William but I just not see him taking anything close to the majority here.

All of them, every single one, even among the biggest ones that were ever reasonably used in battle weighed less then half that.

Hell, Grutte Pier, a man that was over 7'0 and 400lb, his sword which was 7ft, was only 14lb.

Ash's sword more then likely (keep in mind he was dual-wielding successfully for majority of the fight) weighed around 3lb. It's most likely an English Baron sword, which weighs 3 pounds 11 ounces.

Let's check theoretically would a saber should weigh, since we're using movie-only we'll have to rely on the prop itself's weight, as there are no on-screen statements for lightsaer weight:
https://www.inverse.com/article/37398-star-wars-the-last-jedi-lightsabers-rey-luke

According to Daisy Ridley it weighs around 3 kilos at the lowest, which is still 3 pounds heavier then Ash's sword would be.

I checked up over a bunch of websites and couldn't find an exact weight for Vader's saber but if Daisy's was 6lb, the lowest you could reasonably go for Vader's is 5lb but that'd be headcanon.

That's still heavier then Ash's sword no matter how you slice it.

For reference...

Ash Sword:

Baron Sword:

Can Cortosis weapons even penetrate Vader’s armor? The guy is in full armor after all. From what I’ve read they’re pretty brittle and the only cortosis showing I’ve seen was in comics and all it did was (from what I was reading) negate Vader’s lightsaber for a bit (w/c is a HUGE advantage for Ash as it shorts out sabers for a short time).

Are there movie “feats” for cortosis weapons we can look at? Do we use only movie “feats” for cortosis weapons/Vader’s armor or can we use all canon “feats”?

Cortosis usually means lightsaber-resistant.

I should've just said Adamantium, as cortosis does cause problems, lol.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Please read the opening post ya'll.

I did and my point still stands....

Vader was shown in ESB to force choke someone w/o actually being there.. also unless ash's weapons are immune to a lightsaber, there is nothing he can do except lose

Originally posted by carthage
Leaning Bane due to her force abilities

bane died a while ago lol

Yeah it's def the same sword:

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I did and my point still stands....

Vader was shown in ESB to force choke someone w/o actually being there.. also unless ash's weapons are immune to a lightsaber, there is nothing he can do except lose

bane died a while ago lol

His force powers can't be used if you READ THE OPENING POST.

His weapons can block lightsabers in this instance if you READ THE OPENING POSTTTTT.

Well, given that there are a few unknowns in the fight, will have to pick a winner based on a few what ifs.

IF all canon “feats” allowed for armor/cortosis. Cortosis shorts out saber. Unlikely to easily penetrate armor.
Winner: Vader (8/10) after a good fight but Ash stands a chance at winning. Ash will dance around Vader and hit him with glancing blows while Vader deflects with his robo hands. Cortosis weapons will deal some damage to the armor but eventually, Vader will be able to grab Ash and snap his neck.

IF Cortosis easily penetrages armor AND shorts out light saber.
Winner: Ash wins (9/10). Vader gets chopped up. Unarmed, Vader doesn’t have the maneuverability “feats” on screen to dodge against an armed opponent. The occasional screw up from Ash or lucky grab from Vader gives him at least a chance to win.

IF Cortosis is able to penetrate armor BUT is unable to short out saber.
Winner: Vader (7/10) after a good fight. Comes down to a more precise, much stronger but slower opponent vs a faster opponent. Blades crossing will ALWAYS favor Vader and the second Ash is grabbed, it’s over. Ash can probably dance around and inflict damage but Vader’s precision will beat Ash’s speed IMO.

IF Cortosis is unable to penetrate armor and unable to short saber.
Winner: Vader stomps. Armored fighter vs unarmored fighter gives the armored fighter a huge advantage. Too huge being that Vader is also far stronger and more precise than Ash.

^ Okay so instead of Cortosis let's just say it's "lightsaber-resistant", its most common trait is that it can block saber blows provided it's infused into the weapon you're using.

Also isn't Vader's best strength feat crushing that rebel's neck and picking up Palpatine and throwing him? Deadites do shit way more impressive then that on a daily basis, Cheryl threw Ash across a room by his face IIRC and he went flying so hard he destroyed a shelf. Ash trades punches with these things, the strength gap if there is one is very small.

Plus, did you forget Ash's metal hand which can and will crush Vader's own hand into dust? Or the fact that that there's more then one round and that in one of those rounds Ash has a freaking chainsaw hand?

Vader's metal hand is far more powerful than Ash's, but that ties into the books as it was revealed he replaced his hand Luke cut off with a Mandalorian crushgaunt fitted around an indestructible sith lord gauntlet.

But the issue is also that all of Vaders beat feats are book and comic and tv related. Like tossing Kanan and Ezra around one-handed. Or forcing open locked armored doors with strength alone.

Originally posted by KingD19
But the issue is also that all of Vaders beat feats are book and comic and tv related. Like tossing Kanan and Ezra around one-handed. Or forcing open locked armored doors with strength alone.

Ash is a cultural icon whom I love and adore, but his battle feats are dog shit.

Lord Vader rapes and stomps.

At least give Ash Bane for help

Originally posted by Impediment
Ash is a cultural icon whom I love and adore, but his battle feats are dog shit.

Lord Vader rapes and stomps.

I fail to see how Vader is so much better then Ash when comparing the final battle in AoD to IV, V, and VI.

Vader's incredibly strong, but his movie strength does not outweigh a deadite's, not even close. Ash as a deadite was able to pick up a probably heavy-as-hell dude over his head and throw him about 30 feet into a tree with such tremendous force that his face put a dent in the bark.

YouTube video

Ash floors and manages to hold his own in a bout of strength with one.

YouTube video

if bane helps ash, he just might win, however w/o him vader crushes ash into nothingness