Originally posted by PsychotronHorrendous debating. Ren evolves past Vader in the second film, becomes his own master by slaying Snoke. Snoke said he was the heir apparent to Vader right before he killed him.
Kylo is repeatedly told that he is no Vader by his superiors in the movies, and Kylo himself idolizes Vader. Vader holds victories over Dooku and Ben Kenobi, Kylo managed to lose to Rey three times. In the canon comics Vader has much more impressive feats. Either way you slice it Vader > Kyo.
Ben Kenobi lowered his defenses to merge with the force. Vader never had the better of him. Quit lying. Dooku was bested by Anakin not Vader. Watch the films if you need a refresher course because your facts are simply off. Kenobi defeated Vader in rots. That was hilarious watching a fully powered Vader spit the bed against a less powerful and less skilled opponent.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalkerKylo can force choke him as well. These two will be in the same room plus they both have force abilities. Kylo has more impressive feats than Vader. Poor guy burned his potential away.
Vader takes this and rather easily.. He can force choke his grandson w/o even being there face to face
Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader never showed an edge over Kenobi and was crushed by Luke Skywalker who Ben Solo took down. Creepy uncles should not be watching their nephews while they slumber.
This isn't true, for a good chunk of their match Vader was the aggressor, pushing Kenobi back, forcing him to defend.
Vader lost and got diced because he jumped like an arrogant idiot instead of repositioning himself.
Originally posted by RobtardHe pushed him back but he did so in rots abdcwe know how it ended up. Vader never had a really edge and his style is more aggressive. Kenobi wanted to die to merge with the force. He lowered his defenses. Not a clean win.
This isn't true, for a good chunk of their match Vader was the aggressor, pushing Kenobi back, forcing him to defend.Vader lost and got diced because he jumped like an arrogant idiot instead of repositioning himself.
Agreed but to not defeat a foe you are more powerful than and more skilled as well as familiar as he was looks bad. Vader never rescued his potential due to the Mustafar cleaving. Kylo never lost most of his body and his power levels were through the roof according to Snoke and Luke.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Horrendous debating. Ren evolves past Vader in the second film, becomes his own master by slaying Snoke. Snoke said he was the heir apparent to Vader right before he killed him.Ben Kenobi lowered his defenses to merge with the force. Vader never had the better of him. Quit lying. Dooku was bested by Anakin not Vader. Watch the films if you need a refresher course because your facts are simply off. Kenobi defeated Vader in rots. That was hilarious watching a fully powered Vader spit the bed against a less powerful and less skilled opponent.
Yeah, Kylo is Vader's heir being his grandson and all, but he's got nothing on Vader in tems of feats and scaling. Snoke also said he was no Vader, just a child in a mask.
He lowered them because he knew he couldn't defeat Vader. It's not complicated. I guess you haven't seen Empire Strikes Back because Anakin is Darth Vader, so Vader gets Anakin's feats. Yeah, Obi-Wan beat him by out-smarting him. Vader was pushing him back the entire fight because he was stronger. Right before the end Obi-Wan looking tired and taking deep breaths, while Vader was still full of energy. It was only a matter of time before Vader beat him.
Originally posted by PsychotronAfter he said that he said he was the heir apparent to lord Vader. You are ignoring the fact he complimented him right before Kylo killed him.
Yeah, Kylo is Vader's heir being his grandson and all, but he's got nothing on Vader in tems of feats and scaling. Snoke also said he was no Vader, just a child in a mask.He lowered them because he knew he couldn't defeat Vader. It's not complicated. I guess you haven't seen Empire Strikes Back because Anakin is Darth Vader, so Vader gets Anakin's feats. Yeah, Obi-Wan beat him by out-smarting him. Vader was pushing him back the entire fight because he was stronger. Right before the end Obi-Wan looking tired and taking deep breaths, while Vader was still full of energy. It was only a matter of time before Vader beat him.
False but you need evidence. The reason he wanted death is was because he was more powerful and better able to aid Luke but you were never bright so of course you make up more nonsense.
Vader is bound to his suit and loses mobility. He is burnt therefore pre suit it does not apply to his capabilities post suit. Pretty simple. Vader lost to an opponent he was stronger and more skilled than. Pretty pitiful tbh. He never lived up to his billing. Vader is vastly overrated and dominated the weakest Star Wars era to date. Once Luke increased in power, training, and ability he crushed Vader. Vader is nowhere near the top of the pecking order.