Originally posted by SurturDooku was less powerful, older, and his death was a desire of his master Palpatine.
Anakin killed Dooku. That's a better feat than what Kylo did.And it was so rude of Anakin cuz Dooku had just lovingly tk'ed some debris on Obi Wan ever so slightly(wouldn't want to seriously hurt him after all).
Anakin is a different mindset than Vader. Plus he was not suit bound so moot point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
After he said that he said he was the heir apparent to lord Vader. You are ignoring the fact he complimented him right before Kylo killed him.False but you need evidence. The reason he wanted death is was because he was more powerful and better able to aid Luke but you were never bright so of course you make up more nonsense.
Vader is bound to his suit and loses mobility. He is burnt therefore pre suit it does not apply to his capabilities post suit. Pretty simple. Vader lost to an opponent he was stronger and more skilled than. Pretty pitiful tbh. He never lived up to his billing. Vader is vastly overrated and dominated the weakest Star Wars era to date. Once Luke increased in power, training, and ability he crushed Vader. Vader is nowhere near the top of the pecking order.
Being Vader's heir doesn't make him more powerful than Vader, retard. He's literally his blood descendant.
If Ben could beat him he would have. And how did he help Luke exactly? By making him train alone for 3 years until he sent him to Yoda. Stop embarrassing yourself.
This is old Legends canon, fool. In Disney canon Vader is not hampered by his suit at all. In fact, he's more powerful. There are sources saying Vader is a greater duelist than Darth Sidious. Luke beat him because Luke is a monster. Kylo would get destroyed by ROTJ Vader. Hell, in one of the comics Snoke outright says that Kylo is weaker than Luke.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Being Vader's heir doesn't make him more powerful than Vader, retard. He's literally his blood descendant.If Ben could beat him he would have. And how did he help Luke exactly? By making him train alone for 3 years until he sent him to Yoda. Stop embarrassing yourself.
This is old Legends canon, fool. In Disney canon Vader is not hampered by his suit at all. In fact, he's more powerful. There are sources saying Vader is a greater duelist than Darth Sidious. Luke beat him because Luke is a monster. Kylo would get destroyed by ROTJ Vader. Hell, in one of the comics Snoke outright says that Kylo is weaker than Luke.
You’re making yourself out to be a joke. Just stop in your tracks and you’ll be forgiven, joke man.
Originally posted by PsychotronLukes statements show how absurdly powerful Ren was. Snoke confirmed just how powerful Ren was just as Rey became. They soared in power. You ignored Snokes words after he lied to try to manipulate Ren. If you cannot follow along with the dialogue why entertain a debate. You are purposely ignoring Snokes words and reason behind him being cruel at the beginning of the film.
Being Vader's heir doesn't make him more powerful than Vader, retard. He's literally his blood descendant.If Ben could beat him he would have. And how did he help Luke exactly? By making him train alone for 3 years until he sent him to Yoda. Stop embarrassing yourself.
This is old Legends canon, fool. In Disney canon Vader is not hampered by his suit at all. In fact, he's more powerful. There are sources saying Vader is a greater duelist than Darth Sidious. Luke beat him because Luke is a monster. Kylo would get destroyed by ROTJ Vader. Hell, in one of the comics Snoke outright says that Kylo is weaker than Luke.
Why would Ben defeat him? What would that do? Palpatine was still in play plus hevwould merge with the force and be less powerful. I do not have to prove Ben was better I never said he was. My point was Vader showed no advantage against an older, weakened Kenobi. Kenobi allowed him to kill him. Hollow victory.
Kylo completed his training by killing Snoke not Rey. Final test. Ben Solo already defeated Luke. Facts clearly matter. Luke chose to hide it was not Ren.
Comics are meant to sell merchandise no director gives a shit about a line in an issue. Even if it was true Ren grew in power Luke ignored the force so he grew weaker. Kenobi defeated Vader while being less powerful and less skilled. Your point while soundly dismissed does not determine the outcome either way.
We go by what we see. Vader might be a better duelist but he is not as powerful as Sidious and he is extremely weak to fl due to the suit. Vaders mobility is hindered so even if he were as powerful despite his body being burnt to a crisp he still lacks mobility. Kylo would Maul him in a duel worse than Luke did. Kylo and Rey would crush Vader and Luke in rotj. New trilogy is vastly superior to the ot in power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Lukes statements show how absurdly powerful Ren was. Snoke confirmed just how powerful Ren was just as Rey became. They soared in power. You ignored Snokes words after he lied to try to manipulate Ren. If you cannot follow along with the dialogue why entertain a debate. You are purposely ignoring Snokes words and reason behind him being cruel at the beginning of the film.Why would Ben defeat him? What would that do? Palpatine was still in play plus hevwould merge with the force and be less powerful. I do not have to prove Ben was better I never said he was. My point was Vader showed no advantage against an older, weakened Kenobi. Kenobi allowed him to kill him. Hollow victory.
Kylo completed his training by killing Snoke not Rey. Final test. Ben Solo already defeated Luke. Facts clearly matter. Luke chose to hide it was not Ren.
Comics are meant to sell merchandise no director gives a shit about a line in an issue. Even if it was true Ren grew in power Luke ignored the force so he grew weaker. Kenobi defeated Vader while being less powerful and less skilled. Your point while soundly dismissed does not determine the outcome either way.
We go by what we see. Vader might be a better duelist but he is not as powerful as Sidious and he is extremely weak to fl due to the suit. Vaders mobility is hindered so even if he were as powerful despite his body being burnt to a crisp he still lacks mobility. Kylo would Maul him in a duel worse than Luke did. Kylo and Rey would crush Vader and Luke in rotj. New trilogy is vastly superior to the ot in power.
Luke and Snoke were talking about his potential. A potential he never achieved. Luke humiliated Kylo in TLJ with his Force projection and Snoke outright dominated Ren with the Force. And of course, Rey beat his ass without any training.
Why would he defeat one of the two Sith Lords running the galaxy? Are you hearing yourself right now? Vader was drving Kenobi back and forced him to lower his defenses to save Luke. If he could beat Vader he would have. Also, Ben is more powerful in ANH. TCW Kenobi was roughly equal to Maul, while old Ben destroyed Maul in 3 moves. That same Maul was a peer to Ahsoka and actually made her flee.
Killing Snoke didn't mean anything because Snoke was just a puppet. Palpatine made Kylo his servant in TROS.
Ren never beat Luke. Luke was trying to talk to him. When Luke was serious he humiliated him from across the galaxy and made him scream like an angry child.
Vader was more powerful than Dooku, whom even Yoda couldn't just outright defeat, and the suit did not hinder him. This is confirmed in multiple sources, not just comics, which are 100% canon so I don't care how hard you whine about them. Being weak to FL is irrelavant, because Kylo is too weak to conjure lightning. All those years on the dark side and Ren couldn't do learn to do something Dooku could do while he was still a Jedi. Pathetic.
Originally posted by PsychotronHis raw strength was insane so no they were not. Luke tricked him but died. Ben previously beat him prior to Snoke training. Snoke never dominated him with the force. He tagged him with fl but Kylo was unarmed.
Luke and Snoke were talking about his potential. A potential he never achieved. Luke humiliated Kylo in TLJ with his Force projection and Snoke outright dominated Ren with the Force. And of course, Rey beat his ass without any training.
Kylo was
1. Unbalanced
2. Injured by chewie
3. Injured by a lightsaber
Kylo previously beat her twice.
Why would he defeat one of the two Sith Lords running the galaxy? Are you hearing yourself right now? Vader was drving Kenobi back and forced him to lower his defenses to save Luke. If he could beat Vader he would have. Also, Ben is more powerful in ANH. TCW Kenobi was roughly equal to Maul, while old Ben destroyed Maul in 3 moves. That same Maul was a peer to Ahsoka and actually made her flee.
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Beating Vader does not save the galaxy but you needed both gone. Killing Vader would not change the galaxy. Kenobi became more powerful when he died as he said. Vader beat a guy who allowed it. He lowered his defenses. Pitiful. Could not even earn his victory.
Calm down. Maul was lost by the time of rebels. Stuck in the past while Kenobi moved on. None of that has any relevance but the Jedi were far from their primes in Anh.
Maul was more formidable years back than what became of him.
It showed how devious he could be. He completed his training. Was his own master at that point.
Killing Snoke didn't mean anything because Snoke was just a puppet. Palpatine made Kylo his servant in TROS.Ren never beat Luke. Luke was trying to talk to him. When Luke was serious he humiliated him from across the galaxy and made him scream like an angry child.
Vader was more powerful than Dooku, whom even Yoda couldn't just outright defeat, and the suit did not hinder him. This is confirmed in multiple sources, not just comics, which are 100% canon so I don't care how hard you whine about them. Being weak to FL is irrelavant, because Kylo is too weak to conjure lightning. All those years on the dark side and Ren couldn't do learn to do something Dooku could do while he was still a Jedi. Pathetic. [/B]
No, Kylo always betrayed him. Gave him up for Rey. Ren was mad but Luke died. Poor guy died using that power to face Ren. Do it in person yoy weak Jedi. He created Ren by his own fear. Love it.
Vader was not able to best Kenobi. Vader never faced dooku that was Anakin. If you cannot admit the suit hurts his mobility you are about as trustworthy as trump. Deny reality all you want you are the same guy who cried about Star Wars and said you would not even see the final film. You are all feelings no facts. You like Vader I get it but he lost. His life was a tragedy. Regret.
Ren soundly dominated Rey. These two were the peak of power in Star Wars.
Originally posted by quanchi112
His raw strength was insane so no they were not. Luke tricked him but died. Ben previously beat him prior to Snoke training. Snoke never dominated him with the force. He tagged him with fl but Kylo was unarmed.Kylo was
1. Unbalanced
2. Injured by chewie
3. Injured by a lightsaberKylo previously beat her twice.
Beating Vader does not save the galaxy but you needed both gone. Killing Vader would not change the galaxy. Kenobi became more powerful when he died as he said. Vader beat a guy who allowed it. He lowered his defenses. Pitiful. Could not even earn his victory.
Calm down. Maul was lost by the time of rebels. Stuck in the past while Kenobi moved on. None of that has any relevance but the Jedi were far from their primes in Anh.
Maul was more formidable years back than what became of him.
It showed how devious he could be. He completed his training. Was his own master at that point.
No, Kylo always betrayed him. Gave him up for Rey. Ren was mad but Luke died. Poor guy died using that power to face Ren. Do it in person yoy weak Jedi. He created Ren by his own fear. Love it.
Vader was not able to best Kenobi. Vader never faced dooku that was Anakin. If you cannot admit the suit hurts his mobility you are about as trustworthy as trump. Deny reality all you want you are the same guy who cried about Star Wars and said you would not even see the final film. You are all feelings no facts. You like Vader I get it but he lost. His life was a tragedy. Regret.
Ren soundly dominated Rey. These two were the peak of power in Star Wars.
His raw strength was meh at best. Rey has shown stronger Force abilities. Yeah, Luke tricked him. His mastery of the Force was so superior Ren couldn't figure out he was fighting an illusion while the Rebels were escaping. And no, he never beat Luke in a fight. Snoke has directly stated that Luke is Kylo's superior. Kylo was getting uppidy and Snoke shut him down like the child he is.
Rey and Kylo dueled once in TFA and Rey won. Deal with it.
Killing Vader removes the Emperor's most powerful servant from the board. That would have been a huge victory. Obviously, Ben couldn't do it, so he sacrificed himself to let Luke escape.
Maul was not weaker, however. He made Ahsoka flee and Ahsoka is good enough to give Vader a fight for a bit. Obi-Wan destroyed him.
It showed he was weak. He needed to trick Snoke instead of confront him like a real man. It still didn't help, though. Sidious was his true puppet master all along. Killing Snoke did nothing.
Just like Kylo faced Snoke? Lmao.
Anakin is Vader. Vader is canonically stronger than Anakin and AT LEAST as good of a duelist. He casually slaughters Kylo.
Originally posted by PsychotronNot according to Luke and we see his force power was equal to hers. Luke gave his life in order to do so. Kylo rose to the top of the First Order. Turned out pretty good for Ky.
His raw strength was meh at best. Rey has shown stronger Force abilities. Yeah, Luke tricked him. His mastery of the Force was so superior Ren couldn't figure out he was fighting an illusion while the Rebels were escaping. And no, he never beat Luke in a fight. Snoke has directly stated that Luke is Kylo's superior. Kylo was getting uppidy and Snoke shut him down like the child he is.
No, he was tricked but Luke died doing so. Kylo took him out anyways.
Ben defeated him and Luke fled after he butchered his students. Luke was a pansy. Luke himself knew he failed Ben. Shameful since his illusions led to birth of Kylo Ren.
Kylo killed Snoke and took supplanted him. Cut him in half. You seem upset about it.
Ren was injured and knocked her out defeating her with one force push. Finn then jumped in. Ren was also unbalanced since he killed his father. Context, deal with it.
Rey and Kylo dueled once in TFA and Rey won. Deal with it.Killing Vader removes the Emperor's most powerful servant from the board. That would have been a huge victory. Obviously, Ben couldn't do it, so he sacrificed himself to let Luke escape.[/B]
Does not remove the source just his apprentice. Ben achieved more as a force ghost. Vader never showed superiority. Deal with it, kid.
He was broken as per filoni. Not at his best. Your lack of understanding is cute but you lack context or facts just a misinformed opinion.
Maul was not weaker, however. He made Ahsoka flee and Ahsoka is good enough to give Vader a fight for a bit. Obi-Wan destroyed him.It showed he was weak. He needed to trick Snoke instead of confront him like a real man. It still didn't help, though. Sidious was his true puppet master all along. Killing Snoke did nothing.[/B]
Kylo showed he was clever enough to do so while his mind was read. Tremendous feat. of deception. By your own reasoning Luke is a sissy since he never fought him like a man. Do you ever think any of your points through?
Kylo killed him.
Just like Kylo faced Snoke? Lmao.Anakin is Vader. Vader is canonically stronger than Anakin and AT LEAST as good of a duelist. He casually slaughters Kylo. [/B]
Anakin is not in a suit and entirely different mentality and approach. Vader himself sees him as new not Anakin. Watch some Star Wars.
Kylo rapes him. He dominated Rey both crush Vader.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Has kylo defeated anyone trained in the force? No