Hickman's X-Men

Originally posted by cdtm
S.W.O.R.D. mini probably had the best iteration of Beast and Abigail Brand ever.

A shame that couldn't have become the standard. Made a cute couple too.

Also, it was trash. 👆

As for Hickman, it's the best main-series run we've had since Morrison(Maybe since Whedon, depending on your preferences) tbh. The problem is, it's only the actual portion written by him. The "world", meaning the sidebooks, are mostly not good. Hellions was solid, but Zeb is leaving to write Spiderman now. And it seems like Marvel has delayed Hickman's plans, so we're getting this run in a really spread out fashion, which screws up things. We're not even sure if/when he's coming back after Inferno wraps up.

I do agree his characterizations are off for certain characters though. Good writers fail to even write 5 person X-Teams, while Hickman has juggled a cast spanning nearly all corners of the X-verse pretty well.

I definitely have my criticisms too, but I just think the overall writing is a damn sight better than us X-Fans have gotten in a loooooooong time.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That and some god-awful characterization.

Hickman started as an obscure Ultimate Universe writer.

I don't really get how he managed to get promoted so high.

He's not terrible, no, but he is overrated.

Best example is his Secret Wars. Doesn't hold a candle to the Shooter's Secret Wars, despite some great scenes (Thanos getting what he deserves).

Originally posted by StyleTime
It wasn't quite a mini. It was just cancelled early due to low sales.

Also, it was trash. 👆

As for Hickman, it's the best main-series run we've had since Morrison(Maybe since Whedon, depending on your preferences) tbh. The problem is, it's only the actual portion written by him. The "world", meaning the sidebooks, are mostly not good. Hellions was solid, but Zeb is leaving to write Spiderman now. And it seems like Marvel has delayed Hickman's plans, so we're getting this run in a really spread out fashion, which screws up things. We're not even sure if/when he's coming back after Inferno wraps up.

I do agree his characterizations are off for certain characters though. Good writers fail to even write 5 person X-Teams, while Hickman has juggled a cast spanning nearly all corners of the X-verse pretty well.

I definitely have my criticisms too, but I just think the overall writing is a damn sight better than us X-Fans have gotten in a loooooooong time.

Deaths Head alone made it gold.

And it was a huge miss that he wasn't cribbed into the Transformers/Avengers crossover.

You're the only guy who remembers and cares for Death's Head, lol.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're the only guy who remembers and cares for Death's Head, lol.

Pretty sure Pr and one of the Canadian's are fans (K-M?) Which would make him far more popular on KMC than The Transformers.

Yeah, no.

Show me either of these posters discussing Death's Head.

You're thinking of Digi, who gave me thumbs up for kicking you out of fb chat and left KMC years ago.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hickman started as an obscure Ultimate Universe writer.

I don't really get how he managed to get promoted so high.

He's not terrible, no, but he is overrated.

Best example is his Secret Wars. Doesn't hold a candle to the Shooter's Secret Wars, despite some great scenes (Thanos getting what he deserves).

He's one of the few writers that can think big and actually carry it through. He's like Scott Snyder without the crushing inadequacy. He's a great ideas man, and with the proper cast of characters, like in FF, he can put out some good stuff.

His X-Men has an interesting premise, and you can tell he really sat down and tried to plot it all out. The problem, (and this was evident in the Avengers run too) is that he gets carried away, and can't rein himself in. Nor does he adapt his story to the characters as he's writing it. For better or worse, the plot is the plot and the characters don't really matter. Not really.

He hasn't had a great character moment in his runs since the FF run.

At least, that's my broken-record opinion of him.

Good post. Agreed.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Good post. Agreed.

👆 thanks.

The best/funniest part of his runs, imo, was turning Beast into a massive hypocrite. Remember all the shit he gave Cyclops, and then he went and did that with the illuminati.

Yes. I remember.

Did it happen under Hickman's pen? Or was it Benjamin Percy?

You could argue Hickman is supposed to be the overseer, but in practice neither Marvel nor DC controls their writers.

I think it's a good decision, though. Hank is not a saint and he does tend to go crazy every once in a while. This is just another example. Consistent with his character.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes. I remember.

Did it happen under Hickman's pen? Or was it Benjamin Percy?

You could argue Hickman is supposed to be the overseer, but in practice neither Marvel nor DC controls their writers.

I think it's a good decision, though. Hank is not a saint and he does tend to go crazy every once in a while. This is just another example. Consistent with his character.

I don't remember which, just that it amused me.

😂 Damn. Genius has its drawbacks I guess.

Hank can be very selfish.

"I was tortured, Scott! I was tortured!" (Utopia era)

or

"I need the cure! I need it! I want my life back!" (Astonishing)

or... you know...

But the worst thing McCoy has done was teaming up with Dark Beast, in order to find the way to reverse M-Day effects... and he even tried to work with worse villains than him.

When you're right, you're right.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hank can be very selfish.

"I was tortured, Scott! [b]I was tortured!" (Utopia era)

or

"I need the cure! I need it! I want my life back!" (Astonishing)

or... you know...

[/B]

The art makes this look very old. Is it from a modern comic?

Just how long has Beast been a douche, instead of the Bill Nye the Science Guy I remember from the animated series?

Its... early 70s iirc.

@Todd

"Is it from a modern comic"

By the White Wolf, just when nobody believed you could outcdtm yourself, you just did.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@Todd

"Is it from a modern comic"

By the White Wolf, just when nobody believed you could outcdtm yourself, you just did.

I mean, with the callbacks Morrison style you never can tell. 🙂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But the worst thing McCoy has done was teaming up with Dark Beast, in order to find the way to reverse M-Day effects... and he even tried to work with worse villains than him.

But, you know, young Hank learned magic at least.

Fine literature right there. 👆