Nintendo should just make a powerful console.

Originally posted by ares834
They don't want or need third party support. Nintendo has been most successful when doing their own thing like with the Wii and Switch. The one time they directly competed with Microsoft and Sony was with the Gamecube (which was the most powerful console at the time) and they got creamed.

Well, the topic kinda changed. My stance is the same on Nintendo's console "power", but I agree with Smas that digital distribution is the future. Not just for games, but most things: books, music, movies, etc. We most recently saw this when digital comics became a thing. People would rave about how great having the physical collection is or whatever, myself included, then you realize it really serves no purpose. I had to move and just had long boxes I couldn't do shit with. I sold them and switched to digital, and it's just blatantly the superior option.

Same thing with physical copies of games. Most advantages they hold, like re-selling, won't be around much longer. At least not as a major practice.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Because it'd be neutering half the fans of gaming in general, I don't think I've ever met someone without at least 1 physical game in their collection.

Maybe you disagree but I think it's different then the whole Netflix-Blockbuster situation years ago.

I think Smas is right. The writing's on the wall for physical media in general. Just a matter of time.

Maybe it's time to buy genuine Atari 2600.

Only half joking. Online just isn't as reliable as physical media. Remember that story of Kindle ebooks being remotely erased off of devices because of copyrights issues? That kind of thing can never happen with a book.

Gaming is worse, even the Xbox 360 kept from from gaming a few times because of some odd profile login problems. My Steam and Epic accounts had days with downed internet, no games there.

Meanwhile, pop in a PS2 DVD and just play.

Yeah, gotta love DRM.

And physical helps preserve certain things we would otherwise lose; certain games never re-released digitally or anything because of being stuck in copyright hell (i.e. Goldeneye) or the company/publisher of said games no longer being around... Is why piracy for games is unfortunately needed to an extent, because we would have a lot of games that would just otherwise be lost to time.

Reliable? That's a strange reason.

I am not sure what story you are referencing but if its the Orwell's 1984 copyright issue than you have completely wrong.

A company uploaded an illegal copy of the 1984. Amazon found out and remove it because it was illegal. And then...refunded the purchase to anybody who bought it.

No difference if it was found you bought an illegal copy of physical copy of a book.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Reliable? That's a strange reason.

I am not sure what story you are referencing but if its the Orwell's 1984 copyright issue than you have completely wrong.

A company uploaded an illegal copy of the 1984. Amazon found out and remove it because it was illegal. And then...refunded the purchase to anybody who bought it.

No difference if it was found you bought an illegal copy of physical copy of a book.

That illegal copy was already on their device though.

"Illegal" copies of books gets sold and kept all the time. They become highly sought after collectibles.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah, gotta love DRM.

And physical helps preserve certain things we would otherwise lose; certain games never re-released digitally or anything because of being stuck in copyright hell (i.e. Goldeneye) or the company/publisher of said games no longer being around... Is why piracy for games is unfortunately needed to an extent, because we would have a lot of games that would just otherwise be lost to time.

GTA games and their music lists are a good example. San Andreas just isn't the same without the full set.

That ties into a problem with hd remakes in general. Try looking up the differences between Devil May Cry on the PS2 and the various HD Collections. Those videos are why I abandoned the HD sets I bought and dusted off my PS2 copy.

Originally posted by cdtm
Maybe it's time to buy genuine Atari 2600.

Only half joking. Online just isn't as reliable as physical media. Remember that story of Kindle ebooks being remotely erased off of devices because of copyrights issues? That kind of thing can never happen with a book.

Gaming is worse, even the Xbox 360 kept from from gaming a few times because of some odd profile login problems. My Steam and Epic accounts had days with downed internet, no games there.

Meanwhile, pop in a PS2 DVD and just play.

Regardless, I feel like I'd rather have the convenience of digital copies. Your purchases have digital records/receipts associated with your account, so replacing downloads isn't hard. I don't have to take anything with me if I travel either. Less stuff to deal with is always good.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
And physical helps preserve certain things we would otherwise lose; certain games never re-released digitally or anything because of being stuck in copyright hell (i.e. Goldeneye) or the company/publisher of said games no longer being around... Is why piracy for games is unfortunately needed to an extent, because we would have a lot of games that would just otherwise be lost to time.

You don't really own digital media though. You license it.

That means you can legally be deprived of it, or restricted from it.

The scenerios I mentioned are actually quite common among digital platforms. DRM is always a problem, and internet/data is unreliable.

Take the infamous Lizard Squad time out on Christmas.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Agreed. I want them to stay in their niche and keep pumping out fantastic games. I have no interest in playing Battlefield on my Switch. I have my PS4, Xbox, and PC for that. Give me a new Fire Emblem game instead.

It's great you have no interest in playing games portably, but a lot of us do.

Sometimes people wanna enjoy a game without the hassle of having to sit down for 20 minutes then leave because they have work or plans. The Switch is convenient as hell, and I'm sorry but games look gorgeous on it.

Would they look better on PS4 and Xbone? Yes, and they do, but Breath of the Wild was one of the most beautiful games I've ever played regardless.

However, I do think they need to power-up a teensy bit to survive next-gen.

Originally posted by cdtm
That illegal copy was already on their device though.

"Illegal" copies of books gets sold and kept all the time. They become highly sought after collectibles.

Soo...it's an illegal copy of a book. They were not even supposed to sell it. As long as the buyers get refunded, that's fine.

If you buy stolen property and people find out..it will get taken away. Hell, in Canada, you can go to jail for it.

The point is moot because digital purchases are becoming the norm for most devices. It's already the norm for all PC purchases and becoming the same with consoles. Once Gamestop fails, it will most likely be the deciding factor because the used game market will completely dry up.

And...gaming subscriptions are becoming the norm as well. In 5 years, you will most likely see all three companies provide a gaming subscription service and it will probably be the most used.

That's not how possession works. Once you buy something, it's yours.

This thing was popular in malls:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Player_Super_Joy_III

Totally illegal. No one was forced to return it.

Possession is 9/10's of the law. As long as an item isn't drugs, weapons, or involves minors, what you buy you can keep, regardless of copyright laws or legalities. That's the sellers problem. If anyone gets in legal trouble, it's the vendor, not the consumer.

These were literally the same arguments digital comic detractors used. Cycle repeats.

Originally posted by cdtm
You don't really own digital media though. You license it.

That means you can legally be deprived of it, or restricted from it.

The scenerios I mentioned are actually quite common among digital platforms. DRM is always a problem, and internet/data is unreliable.

Take the infamous Lizard Squad time out on Christmas.

We can't fabricate doomsday scenarios where we sstruggle to find internet time, our game licenses are all revoked at random, and we wait for illegal game discs in the mail to re-sell though. It's as realistic as me using the shipment delays caused by COVID-19 lockdown against physical media.

The reality is that digital games wouldn't perform so well if the internet was so unreliable. I mean, hell, we do our taxes and renew our licenses online nowadays. The world's getting increasingly virtual. If your connection goes out that often, you should contact your ISP for a quick service call my man. :up

Originally posted by cdtm
That's not how possession works. Once you buy something, it's yours.

This thing was popular in malls:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Player_Super_Joy_III

Totally illegal. No one was forced to return it.

Possession is 9/10's of the law. As long as an item isn't drugs, weapons, or involves minors, what you buy you can keep, regardless of copyright laws or legalities. That's the [b]sellers problem. If anyone gets in legal trouble, it's the vendor, not the consumer. [/B]