Well, Danny does have his insane showing against Wrecking Crew.
But Bane has a few feats against heavy hitters as well, doesn't he?
Hourman? Mammoth?
Not to mention taking down Grundy (who was still operating at high power levels, as seen when he fought Gotham and destroyed a giant statue) backed up by Amygdala, who is not exactly a pushover either.
Is there still a distinction between n52 and pre for Bane?
Because he has a plethora of - if not skill - insane durability feats without Venom.
As for Amygdala and Croc....Bane defeated a Venom amped Croc without Venom himself, don't forget:
Nice Arkham War scans but Bane had venom there. The venom tank on his back and the tubing going directly into the back of his head.
I agree that it should come down to skill and durability showings w/o the iron fist and venom.
I don't think there is a distinction between Bane pre 52 and current. The same backstory exists born into a prison, test subject for prison experiment, etc. N52 venom made Bane smarter and faster, and a meta w/o a recent dosing but he doesn't have venom here.
Originally posted by Supermutant
Nice Arkham War scans but Bane had venom there. The venom tank on his back and the tubing going directly into the back of his head.I agree that it should come down to skill and durability showings w/o the iron fist and venom.
I don't think there is a distinction between Bane pre 52 and current. The same backstory exists born into a prison, test subject for prison experiment, etc. N52 venom made Bane smarter and faster, and a meta w/o a recent dosing but he doesn't have venom here.
I always thought it was empty - no Venom.
So comparing here:
With the previous issue:
But I guess its iffy.
Re: Iron Fist vs Bane H2H
Originally posted by SupermutantNo chi amping for Danny and no venom device for Bane.
Fight in an adamantium cage.
By chi amping I assume you mean no Iron Fist?
Because a no chi Danny doesn't exist. Anything we imagine would be speculatory.
Best we have is those times Davos drained off the Iron Fist or when it was on the fritz against Creed, and even then he was still able to shatter Davos's ribs, or knock Creed into telephone wires.
He did kill Shou Lao to earn the Iron Fist too.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hell, Amygdala was considered to be superior to Croc and King Shark during that time.
Bane has the power and durability, but Danny has measures of those, plus Spidey level speed.
The proof of this is the time Davos fought Spidey several times, with Peter gradually ramping up his speed, until he reached a point he was genuinely trying to win. Until he got cornered and still lost.
An Iron Fist-less Danny fought this Davos, twice, and beat him decisively.
Originally posted by cdtm
Batman?Pretty sure the credit people give Bats, that sort of scaling would be an [b]upgrade for Bane.
😛 [/B]
Yup.
IF tags Davos who tags Spidey. IF > Davos >Spidey in speed.
Bane tags Batman who tags Flash. Bane > Batman > Flash in speed.
Bane beats Catwoman who beats TWO Flashes. Etc etc.
Yes, I know you meant not to scale up Danny for something his enemy did against Spidey one time. 🙂
The thing of it is, Danny has a rep for being a street leveler with a magic fist because Matt or Elektra manages to give him a hard time. But if you look at Danny's history, he should genuinely be on Cage's physical tier, or above.
I mean, I can post scans all day of him tanking nuclear power beams, brick walls delivered from a speeding train, a Kamehameha that blasts him at least a cities length into ice and snow, or Luke Cages fist into the back of his skull, and shaking it off.
Bane's the same way, ripping apart power armor or surviing 40 feet plunges into water without breaking every bone in his body.
Really, Batman/Catwoman/Azbats and Daredevil/Elektra/Spidey have brought their stock down, given their crazy feats.
This is a good match up, from that perspective.
Originally posted by cdtm
Yes, I know you meant not to scale up Danny for something his enemy did against Spidey one time. 🙂The thing of it is, Danny has a rep for being a street leveler with a magic fist because Matt or Elektra manages to give him a hard time. But if you look at Danny's history, he should genuinely be on Cage's physical tier, or above.
I mean, I can post scans all day of him tanking nuclear power beams, brick walls delivered from a speeding train, a Kamehameha that blasts him at least a cities length into ice and snow, or Luke Cages fist into the back of his skull, and shaking it off.
Bane's the same way, ripping apart power armor or surviing 40 feet plunges into water without breaking every bone in his body.
Really, Batman/Catwoman/Azbats and Daredevil/Elektra/Spidey have brought their stock down, given their crazy feats.
This is a good match up, from that perspective.
Except Bane has actual feats without Venom. Speed, durability and strength (as well as skill). And has beaten Bats without Venom.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except Bane has actual feats without Venom. Speed, durability and strength (as well as skill). And has beaten Bats without Venom.
I'm talking about his feats without venom.
He ripped a leg off a guy wearing power armor without it. Pretty sure he was also fighting Azrael without it, post Batmans return. Azrael couldn't even scratch him, so cbarged him off a cliff that looked at least as high as Galactus. Big backflop, and Bane actually gets back up before eating a hook to KO.
Danny's closest comparable feats are those things he did without the Iron Fist, yet still had chi ampage.
There's literally no way to gague a "No chi" Danny, because chi is life force, and he'd be dead without it.
So what can we do, except bring in any feats except those where he's actively channeling an Iron Fist?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Drk Knights Metal, although there's also the hilarious scan where Poison Ivy is controlling Barry.
Thanks.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I looked back, and he was amped then with superVenom.
Yes.
In all fairness, the supervenom was injected brutally and was overloading him, also it was 2 versus 1.
Originally posted by cdtm
I'm talking about his feats without venom.He ripped a leg off a guy wearing power armor without it. Pretty sure he was also fighting Azrael without it, post Batmans return. Azrael couldn't even scratch him, so cbarged him off a cliff that looked at least as high as Galactus. Big backflop, and Bane actually gets back up before eating a hook to KO.
Danny's closest comparable feats are those things he did without the Iron Fist, yet still had chi ampage.
There's literally no way to gague a "No chi" Danny, because chi is life force, and he'd be dead without it.
So what can we do, except bring in any feats except those where he's actively channeling an Iron Fist?
Or we do the same we do with every other character on the threads who falls in the same category, and say Danny doesn't have the feats to compete.
Which is true.