Iron Fist vs Bane H2H

Started by cdtm8 pages

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or we do the same we do with every other character on the threads who falls in the same category, and say Danny doesn't have the feats to compete.

Which is true.

That comes down to the post makers intent.

Supermutant is knowledgeable about Iron Fist, so I assume he intended chi to mean "Iron Fist".

Otherwise, yeah, no feats means no match.

It's not Bane's win either. It's just an impossible criteria.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I always thought it was empty - no Venom.

So comparing here:

With the previous issue:

But I guess its iffy.

yeah it appears to be two different venom tanks. One that has an outside gauge and one that does not. Good eye though as Bane has worn his injection device before but not used it, to fool his opponents that he was on venom. The change in tanks does make it confusing.

Originally posted by cdtm
That comes down to the post makers intent.

Supermutant is knowledgeable about Iron Fist, so I assume he intended chi to mean "Iron Fist".

Otherwise, yeah, no feats means no match.

It's not Bane's win either. It's just an impossible criteria.

Well I did say "no chi amping" and not just no chi. Just like n52 has venom in his body without a recent dosing, here he can't get anymore than what's normally in his body.

So basically no iron fist and no venom.

bdsm I gave you the perfect setup to mention Danny's skilled showings and his high durability. I was sure his beatdown of the Cat would have been mention by you. Showings like that where he didn't chi-amp (iron-fist) at all.

Originally posted by Supermutant
yeah it appears to be two different venom tanks. One that has an outside gauge and one that does not. Good eye though as Bane has worn his injection device before but not used it, to fool his opponents that he was on venom. The change in tanks does make it confusing.

Well I did say "no chi amping" and not just no chi. Just like n52 has venom in his body without a recent dosing, here he can't get anymore than what's normally in his body.

So basically no iron fist and no venom.

bdsm I gave you the perfect setup to mention Danny's skilled showings and his high durability. I was sure his beatdown of the Cat would have been mention by you. Showings like that where he didn't chi-amp (iron-fist) at all.

The trouble is I can't say for sure he wasn't chi amping against Cat.

Or anyone else, ever. It's just not something he's ever been unable to do. It's kind of like asking "No Spider powers for Spiderman.

it's worse. You can nullify his powers, or Cap's Super Soldier Serum, but you can never really take away Danny's ability to use chi.

Hell, he taught Colleen Wing rudimentary chi amping from a mind meld, unintentionally.

Originally posted by Vanguard
I think Danny. Even though he has no magic, i think his training was better. But Bane has a chance.

Bane is superior at tactics/strategy. Plus, he easily went through a few Talons at once. Talons that troubled/beat Batman. I think Bane wins, especially since he has better damage soak.

Come to think of it, I was wrong when I told Dark that Matt, Elektra, or Spidey are holding Danny down.

Matt and Elektra can chi amp too. And Spidey is Spidey.

no iron fist then for clarity purposes. But against the cat in the rematch he was still depleted from using two iron fists to free himself from restraints IIRC. So that victory was all Danny's skill.

low level chi amping or chi focusing isn't that big of a deal. Taskmaster has done it, so has Bane in prison, he developed his own kind of meditation internal focus techniques.

Batman can do similar too, it just not highlighted as much or call specifically chi in dc all the time.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Bane is superior at tactics/strategy. Plus, he easily went through a few Talons at once. Talons that troubled/beat Batman. I think Bane wins, especially since he has better damage soak.

How do you figure?

Danny's soaked a nuke.

Originally posted by Supermutant
no iron fist then for clarity purposes. But against the cat in the rematch he was still depleted from using two iron fists to free himself from restraints. So that victory was all Danny's skill.

I bet Cat was chi amping too.

It's kind of a common thing with martial artists. The Iron Fist and regular chi are two separate lines of powerup.

Remember when Creed absolutely kicked Danny's ass, because the Iron Fist wasn't working right? Yet he still super charged his punch from "Welled up chi", as the writing put it?

Originally posted by cdtm
How do you figure?

Danny's soaked a nuke.

Bane was able to soak the batkick.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Bane beats Catwoman

He did Bane: Conquest #5

The only thing that made her even a nuisance, was that she tazed him a couple of times in that issue. And then ran away.

I believe that had a fight or skirmish of some sort pre52 where Bane manhandled her. Bane had something like a crush on her and Black Canary for a short while, so he would significantly hold back against them.

So Danny beat up The Cat. 👆

Originally posted by cdtm
How do you figure?

Danny's soaked a nuke.

But he used IF then?

Originally posted by cdtm
Yet he still super charged his punch from "Welled up chi", as the writing put it?

Not just the writing. We had art to back it up, too.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But he used IF then?

Not just the writing. We had art to back it up, too.

Not the nuke I was thinking of.

Think way earlier. Think Claremont.

You mentioned it before, but scans/issue number would be helpful.

For some feats, he's still channeling the power of the Iron Fist technique.

Originally posted by cdtm
Think Claremont.

PS. Claremont wrote Contest of Champions II 😎

Originally posted by cdtm
I'm talking about his feats without venom.

We should list those later.

Originally posted by Supermutant
He did Bane: Conquest #5

Thanks.

Never had any doubt he could do that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You mentioned it before, but scans/issue number would be helpful.

For some feats, he's still channeling the power of the Iron Fist technique.

Too lazy. Every time I did the scan and references thing people ignored it.

Like the zillion times I put out the very first Iron Fist and Power Man team up where he swipes aside something like 50 steel piercing military grade fletchettes at point blank range with his fingertips. That's like doing the same with a normal machinegun, since the only real difference between fletchettes and bullets is the type of ammo they are, and a gun remains a gun.

Was expecting to get that feat argued down because of the different ammo type, but no. Fletchettes are like mini darts, in real life they exit the barrel of a gun at bullet speeds and then slow down as they travel by air drag due to their design. I would have argued the range the feat happened at, and the fact these are fictional fletchettes that penetrate steel, something no fletchette in real life can do.

Nothing to argue, if no ones even looking.

It got countered by other characters blocking similar projectiles at similar range.

It's a nice feat for sure, got ignored only once you started abusing it and reposting for the nth time.

As for the "nuke" feat you're talking about here, don't tell me it's Nitro again?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It got countered by other characters blocking similar projectiles at similar range.

It's a nice feat for sure, got ignored only once you started abusing it and reposting for the nth time.

As for the "nuke" feat you're talking about here, don't tell me it's Nitro again?

Who ever knocked aside similar protectiles with their fingertips?

Never seen anything even remotely comparable to that one. Elektra has those neat sai blocks, but that's nowhere near as impressive as using your finger tips.

Especially when the ammo is pointy mini darts instead of rounded bullets. Think about how easy it would be to prick your finger on the tips of those things.

No, not Nitro. The villian who was a walking nuclear reactor in meltdown. Neutron, maybe?

He melted lead bars, so totally comparable to fighting a living nuclear reactor.

Originally posted by cdtm
Who ever knocked aside similar protectiles with their fingertips?

He didn't use his fingertips.

He used his whole hands.

Originally posted by cdtm
Neutron, maybe?

You have a really bad habit of incorrectly guessing character names, writers and books.

Which is hilarious, considering you've spent 13 years here 😛