COVIDiots

Originally posted by Newjak
I believe you are familiar with the quote, "When good men do nothing that is evil enough"

For instance if you came across a man that was hung from a tree and dying. Would you not help them? If you just left him when you could have saved him does that not mean you participated in the harm of that man by not acting.

Pretending that wielding political station as a means to push misinformation and not putting into place protocols to actually people when you have the means to for political gain doesn't make it any less political.

The seriousness of this was that many people died because Republicans cared more about being right then they cared about following the science.

Also Seinfeld isn't exactly a great reference to use to make a point.

A man hanging from a tree doesn't mean violence was involved, he could be committing suicide because he realized he supported injecting kids with experimental gene therapies.

If I don't help him it may be shitty, but it's not violent. Violence is the initiation of the use of force.

Abstaining from a type of action (negative) doesn't equal that type of action (positive).

Violence is a positive action, political action is positive.

Abstaining from either is negative.

Put a different way a teacher teaching is pedagogical, a teacher not teaching isn't pedagogical.

This should be simple, dude.

You're acting like Ptolemy.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
A man hanging from a tree doesn't mean violence was involved, he could be committing suicide because he realized he supported injecting kids with experimental gene therapies.

If I don't help him it may be shitty, but it's not violent. Violence is the initiation of the use of force.

Abstaining from a type of action (negative) doesn't equal that type of action (positive).

Violence is a positive action, political action is positive.

Abstaining from either is negative.

Put a different way a teacher teaching is pedagogical, a teacher not teaching isn't pedagogical.

This should be simple, dude.

You're acting like Ptolemy.

Also not actions are equal in their effects on the areas they oversee.

Not teaching a student is denying the child education. Not enacting protocols that being asked is very much political action. Watching someone hang after you saw them get strung up, is very much a conscious action that allows the violence to continue.

I mean at this point you're mostly trying to play semantics which is a very conservative strategy here to allow blame to be misplaced. You're avoiding the reality of the situation to play games. Republicans used their political power to allow misinformation to flourish. To not enact items that would have helped save lives for no other reason then it was politically convenient for them. That is political sir.

And I'm pretty sure you understand it is. That's why you're so hung up on the word games.

Originally posted by ilikecomics

The pro vaxx people are inherently statist, they want to employ the government's power to affect the lives of others. That is definitionally political.

Thinking the government doesn't get to make decisions about the economy or your individual health is not political. [/B]

It might come as a surprise to you but pro vaxxers can still be against the behaviour of political leaders like Macron of France and his rhetoric.

I want people to get vaccinated so less people get severe symptoms and die. I don't want unvaxxed people to be ostracised from society because, historically, blacklisting entire groups of people doesn't exactly end well.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
It might come as a surprise to you but pro vaxxers can still be against the behaviour of political leaders like Macron of France and his rhetoric.

I want people to get vaccinated so less people get severe symptoms and die. I don't want unvaxxed people to be ostracised from society because, historically, blacklisting entire groups of people doesn't exactly end well.

So you're pro vax and anti mandate of any kind ? No vax passports, no mandates, no intrusion into the economy ?

Because if that's your position, then we're totally cool and my personal decision shouldn't affect the vaxxed, unless the vax is ineffective.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
durmask

putting aside the allowance of a covid conspiracy thread, why would it not be a solution?

Actually, after thinking about it? **** it. Why not. One of them can start it.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
So you're pro vax and anti mandate of any kind ? No vax passports, no mandates, no intrusion into the economy ?

Because if that's your position, then we're totally cool and my personal decision shouldn't affect the vaxxed, unless the vax is ineffective.

Yeah I'm not a fan of vaccine passports. I'm vaccinated and don't have one and won't use one. If I get told I can't access somewhere without it then so be it. They won't get my custom. If they don't believe me when I tell them I'm vaccinated they're essentially calling me a liar and why should I give my business to an organisation that treats me like that.

Mask mandates I follow in my workplace. Outside of work if I remember to bring and wear one I will. I found it very strange at the beginning of the pandemic how people's attitudes towards one another changed. Videos of people screaming abuse at others not wearing masks. Antimaskers screaming abuse at shop workers trying to do their jobs.

It seems in your mind the vaccine should be 100% effective or it is 0% effective. Your decision to not get vaccinated does affect vaccinated people because it is not 100% effective. You are at a higher risk of being infected and being infectious thus increasing the risk of everyone you come in contact with. It boggles my mind that we can be 2 years into a pandemic and over a year into a vaccination programme and people still don't understand these basics.

Vaccine passports have always existed. The yellow card I carry to show I am vaccinated against yellow fever is merely one of many examples I can cite.

Do you need it to get into The Dog & Duck for a quiet pint?

Whirly drinks super strength guinness at the Old Mill on a Tuesday evening with his Nigerian farmer friends.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Actually, after thinking about it? **** it. Why not. One of them can start it.

then all we need is for them to comply. simple yet impossible

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Do you need it to get into The Dog & Duck for a quiet pint?

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Yeah I'm not a fan of vaccine passports. I'm vaccinated and don't have one and won't use one. If I get told I can't access somewhere without it then so be it. They won't get my custom. If they don't believe me when I tell them I'm vaccinated they're essentially calling me a liar and why should I give my business to an organisation that treats me like that.

Mask mandates I follow in my workplace. Outside of work if I remember to bring and wear one I will. I found it very strange at the beginning of the pandemic how people's attitudes towards one another changed. Videos of people screaming abuse at others not wearing masks. Antimaskers screaming abuse at shop workers trying to do their jobs.

It seems in your mind the vaccine should be 100% effective or it is 0% effective. Your decision to not get vaccinated does affect vaccinated people because it is not 100% effective. You are at a higher risk of being infected and being infectious thus increasing the risk of everyone you come in contact with. It boggles my mind that we can be 2 years into a pandemic and over a year into a vaccination programme and people still don't understand these basics.

Proof of vaccination and getting the thing kind of goes hand in hand. That's one of the main concerns of anti-vaxxers, in contrast to the framing that they're just crazies.

Your stance is admirable, but you're effectively getting the worst of both worlds by obediently doing your part as a good citizen, while being called a liar by that same system and being grouped to suffer the same consequences as people who refuse to vax.

I doubt we will be able to stop what is coming. They will have there orwellian system in place its inevitable

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Keep telling yourself these jabs are safe for children

Originally posted by -Pr-
Actually, after thinking about it? **** it. Why not. One of them can start it.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
then all we need is for them to comply. simple yet impossible

Originally posted by cdtm
Proof of vaccination and getting the thing kind of goes hand in hand. That's one of the main concerns of anti-vaxxers, in contrast to the framing that they're just crazies.

Your stance is admirable, but you're effectively getting the worst of both worlds by obediently doing your part as a good citizen, while being called a liar by that same system and being grouped to suffer the same consequences as people who refuse to vax.

why don't you make a thread about it instead of derailing this one? oh right, because you're a bad faith time waster, a deliberate ruiner of topics that you don't like, and your purpose is to continue trolling untill you're once again rewarded with thread closure and bannings. oh well, sorry if that hurt your feefees, please don't report me again.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Yeah I'm not a fan of vaccine passports. I'm vaccinated and don't have one and won't use one. If I get told I can't access somewhere without it then so be it. They won't get my custom. If they don't believe me when I tell them I'm vaccinated they're essentially calling me a liar and why should I give my business to an organisation that treats me like that.

I feel you there in part, but you're relying on people being honest, when there's markets popping up for fake vaccine cards because anti-vaxxers don't want to get vaccinated while having the freedom to bypass a private businesses choice to not serve the unavaccinated, thereby putting at risk all the other vaccinated patrons who are playing by the rules.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
why don't you make a thread about it instead of derailing this one? oh right, because you're a bad faith time waster, a deliberate ruiner of topics that you don't like, and your purpose is to continue trolling untill you're once again rewarded with thread closure and bannings. oh well, sorry if that hurt your feefees, please don't report me again.

Each of them have been given multiple moderator warnings in this thread to stop posting off-topic, and were given instructions to create their own thread to continue having those discussions. So going forward, any more off-topic posts from any of them are being reported.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
why don't you make a thread about it instead of derailing this one? oh right, because you're a bad faith time waster, a deliberate ruiner of topics that you don't like, and your purpose is to continue trolling untill you're once again rewarded with thread closure and bannings. oh well, sorry if that hurt your feefees, please don't report me again.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Each of them have been given multiple moderator warnings in this thread to stop posting off-topic, and were given instructions to create their own thread to continue having those discussions. So going forward, any more off-topic posts from any of them are being reported.

I was replying to Jaden, as did Rob, who you conveniently ignored. He brought it up, talk to him.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
then let the time wasters post a covid conspiracy thread to spew their misinformation upon, and let the covid thread remain, with an enforced rule to not derail with misinformation and conspiracy vomit. this new policy of "oh just be nice to the bad faith derailer troll or it's equally your fault" is ridiculous.

So what right wing debate would you NOT consider time wasting trolling.

Genuinely curious. As far as I can see, you have a hard line policy against the right wing in any way, shape, or form.

Which is just an asinine stance to take about nearly fifty percent of the US population, and conveniently sets your own belief system up as beyond criticism, the definition of "bad faith".

Originally posted by cdtm
So what right wing debate would you NOT consider time wasting trolling.

Genuinely curious. As far as I can see, you have a hard line policy against the right wing in any way, shape, or form.

Which is just an asinine stance to take about nearly fifty percent of the US population, and conveniently sets your own belief system up as beyond criticism, the definition of "bad faith".

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Yeah I'm not a fan of vaccine passports. I'm vaccinated and don't have one and won't use one. If I get told I can't access somewhere without it then so be it. They won't get my custom. If they don't believe me when I tell them I'm vaccinated they're essentially calling me a liar and why should I give my business to an organisation that treats me like that.

Mask mandates I follow in my workplace. Outside of work if I remember to bring and wear one I will. I found it very strange at the beginning of the pandemic how people's attitudes towards one another changed. Videos of people screaming abuse at others not wearing masks. Antimaskers screaming abuse at shop workers trying to do their jobs.

It seems in your mind the vaccine should be 100% effective or it is 0% effective. Your decision to not get vaccinated does affect vaccinated people because it is not 100% effective. You are at a higher risk of being infected and being infectious thus increasing the risk of everyone you come in contact with. It boggles my mind that we can be 2 years into a pandemic and over a year into a vaccination programme and people still don't understand these basics.

Most people don't even wash their hands. Hand washing compliance pre covid was only in the high 50s in terms of percentages.