Superman vs Avengers

Galactus goes up and down so its hard to accurately gauge how powerful he is even when amped. But its implicit in the narrative that's hes very powerful so MrMind is lowballing

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Galactus goes up and down so its hard to accurately gauge how powerful he is even when amped. But its implicit in the narrative that's hes very powerful so MrMind is lowballing

Hes about to fight a being that nothing in the Universe can stop except possibly him. That's how powerful he is.

Ok cool so it's a standard Thor.

Superman spite stomps. No amount of off topic digressions changes this

It's almost like Nefaria, but without the vision and wasp and with the Hulk.

Hmmmmmm, it's close.

Hulk wouldve soloed Nefaria. Supes best option here is to bfr him.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
It's almost like Nefaria, but without the vision and wasp and with the Hulk.

Hmmmmmm, it's close.

Or, the speed.

Edit: or the intelligence

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok cool so it's a standard Thor.

Superman spite stomps. No amount of off topic digressions changes this

Is Supes at a point where he dispatches herald easily now? Honest question.

Originally posted by carver9
Hes about to fight a being that nothing in the Universe can stop except possibly him. That's how powerful he is.

Yes. That's what i said

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Is Supes at a point where he dispatches herald easily now? Honest question.

Yes. That's what i said

'Now'? 😛

But yes, on a forum, he is. Especially with the rules and the stips.

PIS is off as standard. Ok. That removed a lot of low showings.

OP then turned CIS off as well. Ok, well that doesn't mean we ignore Clark's character, we saw something similar when he took out The Elite, only he didn't kill.

OP also has turned morals off, and bloodlust is on. And basic knowledge. As Stoic said, sure, that goes both ways, but again....we saw what an in character, morals on Superman did with a powerful team - he speed blitzed them. Now? He's taking heads off in nanoseconds, if not faster.

I missed the bloodlust part. I still disagree but at least i understand your point

Originally posted by Stoic
I totally agree with you on this. Without a sun dip, Superman hovers at the high herald range. But you have these people that seem to have lost track of his true median levels.

He doesn't win. He gets beaten badly.

Honestly, I would disagree to a point, but I get what you're saying. DC has kind of shit the bed in terms of defining the character.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think OP was going with CIS and morals off.

So essentially a BZ Superman who's going to go all out from the first nanosecond.

There is an absolutely massive gulf between "morals/CIS off" and "he fights the way I would in his place".

I mean, that could be what Mr. Mind intended, sure, but I'd need to actually hear him say that it's a poster avatar thing.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Honestly, I would disagree to a point, but I get what you're saying. DC has kind of shit the bed in terms of defining the character.

There is an absolutely massive gulf between "morals/CIS off" and "he fights the way I would in his place".

I mean, that could be what Mr. Mind intended, sure, but I'd need to actually hear him say that it's a poster avatar thing.

Edit: but yes, OP can clarify

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How would a morals/CIS/PIS off Superman who is bloodlusted (but still remains in control of his faculties) and who has knowledge of his opponents fight IYO?

Edit: but yes, OP can clarify

Its basically all high non amped showings.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How would a morals/CIS/PIS off Superman who is bloodlusted (but still remains in control of his faculties) and who has knowledge of his opponents fight IYO?

Edit: but yes, OP can clarify

With words of kindness and nothing else.

I hate having to choose between my dislike for Superman and common sense.

How do they hit him? Thor with Mjolnir is the only one capable of reaching the kind of speeds Superman can. And that's pretty much just flight. If Thor can hit him with an aoe and then they go to town they can definitely win this, that's gonna be somewhat rough since the OP made it basically Superman at his most dangerous vs. average Avengers

It's just CIS/Morals off, bloodlusted. However you wanna interpret that is up to you

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Its basically all high non amped showings.

for both sides

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
With words of kindness and nothing else.

I hate having to choose between my dislike for Superman and common sense.

How do they hit him? Thor with Mjolnir is the only one capable of reaching the kind of speeds Superman can. And that's pretty much just flight. If Thor can hit him with an aoe and then they go to town they can definitely win this, that's gonna be somewhat rough since the OP made it basically Superman at his most dangerous vs. average Avengers

again, the rules and setting applies to both side

How quickly can Wanda lose her sh*t and destroy everyone? Esp if the other 5 create a barrier around her? Even with his speed he’s supposed to be able to just rip through Hulk, Thor, Etc?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Its basically all high non amped showings.

His morals are a pretty big part of his character - even when Maxwell Lord had him bloodlusted against Wonder Woman, he still wouldn't kill.

OP has turned even that off.

@Quick Freeze: she's still human level in reflexes. So is Tony. I'm not going to go anywhere with Thor, but we've seen his scans.

Basically, when the bell rings, half the opposition are being flung into space, if not all. Then he can pick them off.

Remember, this is the guy who races Flashes for fun. THAT'S the problem with this thread - Superman KNOWS his opponents (and vice versa of course), has no morals (which goes for both sides) and is bloodlusted (as with both sides).

Except he ALSO posseses speed that none of them can even approach.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's putting it lightly.

He gets anally raped.

poor, poor supes

Originally posted by Quick Freeze
How quickly can Wanda lose her sh*t and destroy everyone? Esp if the other 5 create a barrier around her? Even with his speed he’s supposed to be able to just rip through Hulk, Thor, Etc?

Originally posted by Magnon
Why would they create a barrier around her dead body? Sentimental reasons?

Assuming there's a body.