CISLESS Surfer vs Thanos

Originally posted by carver9
Be honest, did you read the story. I can post the book here if you need it. Theres more where he stated he was (and still is) weakened.

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Originally posted by carver9
He even says it pages before creating a sun...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/52881810/SmartSelect_20200503-115806_Chrome.jpg.html

Lol....

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He started the series in a weakened state.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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He started the series in a weakened state.

Yep. It ended as well with him being weakened because of the black.

Originally posted by MrMind
except you see the seekers jump out of the black hole and survived, they were at the center of the black hole. the black hole surfer created when he was battling ravenous.
https://imgur.com/a/748gB6x

surfer and air-walker was light years away from where the black hole was created
https://imgur.com/a/2HcdbXm

The Seeker’s where no where in event horizon and can be even argued not in said blackhole - in plot and your own scan. Surfer where light years away from them when he was carrying Airwalker to safety (your scan) which was prior to blackhole feat.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Creating that sun took everything out of him and if black holes are such a cake walk he wouldn't have almost died in the one the black order sent the finish them off. I'm not convinced

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He hasn't shown evidence of what you're using as an argument in comics. Sure he could do the behind the back board trick but seriously how often do you think that tactic would succeed? He's never created a black hole in anyone and the last time he encountered a black hole he was tossed back in time. Light speed sure, speed sure, shields sure...but speed, shields etc has never been a determining factor in his fights with Thanos. He always gets wrecked.

How can you not know that Surfer created black holes inside beings before? That's basic comic knowledge. Where do you even think we get the whole black hole thing anyway? So now you admit you were wrong about Surfer doing shit I named right? It seems so since you changed the goalposts (it won't succeed). You don't win debates by being wrong and not admitting to your mistakes. You lose credibility that way.

Second, how can Surfer gets wreck if he is using light speed reflexes and using his speed and Shields to avoid being hit? Thanos isn't a speedster.

Why wouldn't the board from behind succeed? Surfer can do it over and over and win the battle of attrition with just that tactic only.

And this isn't a comic fight. This is a forum fight where there is no PIS and we have FULL CAPACITY rules.

Originally posted by h1a8
black inside beings tactic

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H1 and Sin going at it...

Who would win?

Originally posted by h1a8
How can you not know that Surfer created black holes inside beings before? That's basic comic knowledge. Where do you even think we get the whole black hole thing anyway? So now you admit you were wrong about Surfer doing shit I named right? It seems so since you changed the goalposts (it won't succeed). You don't win debates by being wrong and not admitting to your mistakes. You lose credibility that way.

Second, how can Surfer gets wreck if he is using light speed reflexes and using his speed and Shields to avoid being hit? Thanos isn't a speedster.

Why wouldn't the board from behind succeed? Surfer can do it over and over and win the battle of attrition with just that tactic only.

And this isn't a comic fight. This is a forum fight where there is no PIS and we have FULL CAPACITY rules.

Thanos has multiple showings of reacting to the best speeds Surfer can fight at and to add to that Surfer doesn’t have the power to put Thanos down.

The board from behind couldn’t even put down Beta Ray Bill and you expect it to take out Thanos with the level of stuff he’s tanked. I’ll take that if you ignore it again you are just trolling because you’re upset that this thread hasn’t gone your way.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
H1 and Sin going at it...

Who would win?

Wet blanket😂

Originally posted by Insane Titan
How many times do you ignore stuff, troll?

Thanos has multiple showings of reacting to the best speeds Surfer can fight at and to add to that Surfer doesn’t have the power to put Thanos down.

The board from behind couldn’t even put down Beta Ray Bill and you expect it to take out Thanos with the level of stuff he’s tanked. I’ll take that if you ignore it again you are just trolling because you’re upset that this thread hasn’t gone your way.

Reading is fundamental

Originally posted by h1a8
Why wouldn't the board from behind succeed? Surfer can do it over and over and win the battle of attrition with just that tactic only.

I never stated it would take out Thanos in one blow.
Now if Surfer increased the speed (>light speed) then Surfer could perhaps do that.

And also, Surfer's reflexes would prevent him from getting hit.
You didn't address that.

As far as Thanos reacting to Surfer then you have to prove that Surfer was operating at top speeds (FULL CAPACITY). Because even streets reacted to Surfer before in a comic.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
H1 and Sin going at it...

Who would win?

Sin in the first round.

And not by a knockout. It would be murder.

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Originally posted by h1a8
How can you not know that Surfer created black holes inside beings before? That's basic comic knowledge. Where do you even think we get the whole black hole thing anyway? So now you admit you were wrong about Surfer doing shit I named right? It seems so since you changed the goalposts (it won't succeed). You don't win debates by being wrong and not admitting to your mistakes. You lose credibility that way.

Second, how can Surfer gets wreck if he is using light speed reflexes and using his speed and Shields to avoid being hit? Thanos isn't a speedster.

Why wouldn't the board from behind succeed? Surfer can do it over and over and win the battle of attrition with just that tactic only.

And this isn't a comic fight. This is a forum fight where there is no PIS and we have FULL CAPACITY rules.

Surfers manipulation of Air Walkers energies is circumstantial. This has been debated to death. Current Surfer who is as close to being this cisless character was owned by a black hole. Those mini suns he created further weakened him...so your argument is that without cis he's gonna spam suns (which weaken him), black holes (which weaken him), ftl speed and spamming blasts?

Sigh

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh

Your butthurt is apparent ..get a grip

Where did creating a black hole and sun weaken him?

posted by ambient
Those scans you posted are not in order MMind and the reason why you’ve misinterpreted it, get the comics and read it then you’ll see the comics is quite clear.

The Seeker’s where no where in event horizon and can be even argued not in said blackhole - in plot and your own scan. Surfer where light years away from them when he was carrying Airwalker to safety (your scan) which was prior to blackhole feat.

no, I've read the issue multiple times. you guys are not understanding the comic correctly, black hole is not the continuiation result of previous scan. I've said it 4 times already, don't make me repeat again.
thanos said the black hole was due to energy discharge of surfer
we see surfer energy expanding when he was escaping from the seekers.
then he was lightyears away, where he killed air-walker
then you see a black hole from far away, where seekers jump out of it. seekers were still at the battlefield, the same battlefield where surfer was exploding white energy, where the black hole was formed

2 keys
1. energy discharge- energy discharge didn't happen where lights shoot out of air walker, it happened earlier when surfer released power cosmic
2. seekers survived the black hole, where you see them coming out of the center, seekers were not at where air-walker died, that was light years away.

Originally posted by carver9
Where did creating a black hole and sun weaken him?

Silver Surfer Black #1

surfer said "seekers cannot track us through the energy i unleashed."
thanos said "black hole brought about by silver surfer's energy discharge"

unleash is discharge

then we literally see ravenous and seekers fly out of the center of the black hole. they can't be from where air-walker exploded, because they can't track surfer

https://imgur.com/a/5rApwN5

Originally posted by Sin I AM
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Surfers manipulation of Air Walkers energies is circumstantial. This has been debated to death. Current Surfer who is as close to being this cisless character was owned by a black hole. Those mini suns he created further weakened him...so your argument is that without cis he's gonna spam suns (which weaken him), black holes (which weaken him), ftl speed and spamming blasts?

That's not to say that I think Surfer necessarily wins or anything like that, just that Surfer deserves the same benefit of a doubt that we'd give Supes if he got trapped in a bear hug without becoming intangible via superspeed to escape. It doesn't mean that their previously established high level of ability has been reduced, it means that interesting stories are what writers are trying to tell.

Originally posted by darthgoober
That doesn't really hold up Sin, how characters can hold up to blackholes can vary as wildly as anything else in comics. Surfer has multiple instances of not being taken out by blackholes to his credit too(up to and including basically being totally unaffected by them) which would logically take priority in an "at their best" scenario forum fight with a No CIS stipulation.

That's not to say that I think Surfer necessarily wins or anything like that, just that Surfer deserves the same benefit of a doubt that we'd give Supes if he got trapped in a bear hug without becoming intangible via superspeed to escape. It doesn't mean that their previously established high level of ability has been reduced, it means that interesting stories are what writers are trying to tell.

Aren't we using the current most powerful version of the character? If so then the same comic where he uses the mini sun feat is highballed but getting weakened by a black hole is tossed out because consistency. Just not a fan of cherry picking feats no matter how you slice it