Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
"Superman can absorb the phoenix"WTF
If you had said that on any other forum you would've been given a warning for trolling
Why? I gave an example of him absorbing the power of a high cosmic being, Meggadon. And of him KOing World Forger with a minor sun amp. Phoenix eats suns, meaning Superman would suck its power up like a milkshake through a straw.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
"mageddon"The phoenix force is psionic energy, not some sun rays or anti ray shit. That's a terrible comparison, stop trolling
It's too bad Superman doesn't have a history of taking down psionic powerhouses.
Oh wait, he does. Dominus, who was powerful enough to injure Eternity's DC counterpart Kismet. And Milton Fine Brainiac, who took out the entire New Gods cast on New Genesis, made everyone on Earth believe Supermans body was in his tomb while still in the New Gods universe, and attacked Superman directly inside a construct of pure psionic energy.
And Superman beat his ass down.
Milton Fine has better feats then the Phoenix Five, he'd easily beat any of them.
Originally posted by cdtm
It's too bad Superman doesn't have a history of taking down psionic powerhouses.Oh wait, he does. Dominus, who was powerful enough to injure Eternity's DC counterpart Kismet. And Milton Fine Brainiac, who took out the entire New Gods cast on New Genesis, made everyone on Earth believe Supermans body was in his tomb while still in the New Gods universe, and attacked Superman directly inside a construct of pure psionic energy.
And Superman beat his ass down.
Milton Fine has better feats then the Phoenix Five, he'd easily beat any of them.
Superman wins that through trickery. Not head to head.
Alberto's so stupid he doesn't even remember his own arguments:
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
"mageddon"The phoenix force is psionic energy, not some sun rays or anti ray shit. That's a terrible comparison, stop trolling
I have your goal post shift covered. Dominus is a cosmic being, as is World Forger.
Superman wins.
Originally posted by cdtm
Alberto's so stupid he doesn't even remember his own arguments:I have your goal post shift covered. Dominus is a cosmic being, as is World Forger.
Superman wins.
Yeah except Dominus was weak as hell in the end. He couldn't even use his powers without weakening himself. He wasn't even beaten by Superman right away, he actually trapped Superman for a while.
Don't leave out context next time
Originally posted by h1a8The Phoenix is a cosmic force that grants a host it's cosmic abilities. Abilities that can clearly out class strength and speed. Not to mention it enhances the host natural abilities. Let's look at some of Phoenix abilities and see how many ways it can trump strengh and speed.
How can it be fanboy alert when I can prove my claims?
Do you have proof ghat any statement I made is false?Superman has better than attosecond perceptions. Therefore 1 second to him is like billions of years. That proves his opponent will be a statue.
Superman has strength feats far above any of the Phoenix hosts.
2. Ability to manipulate energy. Another way to beat him would be draining the solar energy out of him, taking away every super ability about him. Speed, strength, etc.
3. Psionic and Telepathy abilities. After stripping Supes of all his abilities. The host can make him go crazy mentally, and have him kill himself.
4. Life force manipulation. This is one of my favorites. Speeding up Supes life span once he's in a weaken state. Turning him into a 90yr old man.
5. And the reason why this is capable is because the host also possess cosmic awareness. Allowing them to know Superman is coming, and know what make Superman, Superman.
If both characters were written to there full potential. The fight would be over before Superman even knew what was happening to him.
Originally posted by heru
The Phoenix is a cosmic force that grants a host it's cosmic abilities. Abilities that can clearly out class strength and speed. Not to mention it enhances the host natural abilities. Let's look at some of Phoenix abilities and see how many ways it can trump strengh and speed.
1. Ability to manipulate matter. The host can clearly turn Superman clothing into kryptonite taking the strength away from him2. Ability to manipulate energy. Another way to beat him would be draining the solar energy out of him, taking away every super ability about him. Speed, strength, etc.
3. Psionic and Telepathy abilities. After stripping Supes of all his abilities. The host can make him go crazy mentally, and have him kill himself.
4. Life force manipulation. This is one of my favorites. Speeding up Supes life span once he's in a weaken state. Turning him into a 90yr old man.
5. And the reason why this is capable is because the host also possess cosmic awareness. Allowing them to know Superman is coming, and know what make Superman, Superman.
If both characters were written to there full potential. The fight would be over before Superman even knew what was happening to him.
1. You have to give feats of them matter manipulating stuff. Otherwise they don't have the ability and, most importantly, the propensity to do such. Also kryptonite from different universes don't work on Superman. And none of them know how to make kryptonite.
Terrible logic here.
2. You have to provide feats of them being able to drain energy out of a being. Without feats then this point is dead.
3. You have to provide feats of their TP abilities (members of the P5).
4. You have to provide proof that they can do this as well. Also you have to provide proof that they have the propensity to do it too.
5. They can just see Superman coming (assuming he purposely moves slow enough). This point makes absolutely no sense. You are terrible.
With that said, even if all your points are valid then none of them defeats the fact that each member would be a statue to Superman for a long time. Think of metro man. Do you really believe that someone frozen can actually beat anyone? You can't affect someone if
1. You don't know where they are
2. They don't give you the opportunity to act.
3. If you are always frozen to them.