Sundipped Superman vs these powerhouses.

Started by AlbertoJohnAvil16 pages
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
WF also said They have never experienced truth as pure as this place
https://ibb.co/4SNBmLv
Besides, Your references are out of context, The blinked out of reality is when Shayne unsure about his existence but starman scanned him and said he is real. So there is another problem, If the multiverse wasn't real(hypothetical) then why Shayne is real as anyone else in the DCU?

He never completed the process of bringing those universes into being by striking his hammer to the anvil:

He needs to hammer it in EXISTENCE, THAT'S how his hammer and anvil work. Basic knowledge:

"Every strike of the hammer hammer creates universes"
Again saying he must strike it

The scan after
Shows the planets and stuff still in the anvil:

it wasn't complete.
The process DIDN'T finish because the TOOL (anvil) was destroyed by the force of SUPERMAN punching world forger. Common sense, the comic doesn't get any clearer than that.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I also was quoting the book
WF(the mutliverse creator) himself said it is real(not hypothetical), it is stable(otherwise it won't usher toward reality). And we clearly see his creation wouldn't blink out of reality(Shayne)

The quote u used was in reference to wf's view of what a multiverse should be. Or better yet his correct version of a multiverse. One that he believed would receive postive judgement from the beings beyond perpetua.

Shane survived, obviously. On panel the referenced "hypothetical dimension" he came from did not. Not sure why, but i found that poetic and made for good storyline specifically for that character.
Like i said, u can call it a multiverse all u want. For all intents and purposes, it was one until it "blinked out of reality".

What im more interested in is what people think happened after the punch.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
No, But the sixth dimension multiverse is as real as the main multiverse.

If he didnt bring the multiverse over, how did Superman destroy it?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
He never completed the process of bringing those universes into being by striking his hammer to the anvil:

He needs to hammer it in EXISTENCE, THAT'S how his hammer and anvil work. Basic knowledge:

"Every strike of the hammer hammer creates universes"
Again saying he must strike it

The scan after
Shows the planets and stuff still in the anvil:

it wasn't complete.
The process DIDN'T finish because the TOOL (anvil) was destroyed by the force of SUPERMAN punching world forger. Common sense, the comic doesn't get any clearer than that.

You completely wrong in the basic level that I almost couldn't believe my eyes
WF First step is: Creating universes, And second step is:Judging them and ushering the most stable universes to the orrey(Main multiverse), And those unstable, throwing into forge let Barbatos do his job
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Dark-Nights-Metal/Issue-4?id=127004#17
in other words, the descending process just related to whether those universes successfully descend on the orrey, It won't disappear because the descending process hasn't a chance to complete

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The quote u used was in reference to wf's view of what a multiverse should be. Or better yet his correct version of a multiverse. One that he believed would receive postive judgement from the beings beyond perpetua.

Shane survived, obviously. On panel the referenced "hypothetical dimension" he came from did not. Not sure why, but i found that poetic and made for good storyline specifically for that character.
Like i said, u can call it a multiverse all u want. For all intents and purposes, it was one until it "blinked out of reality".

What im more interested in is what people think happened after the punch.

From my opinion. Superman pucnch's shockwave destroyed it , I mean in this scan you actually seeing there is a shockwave and it spreading out of the earth
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League-2018/Issue-25?id=156396#22
, and next scan we see the multiverse was destroyed.And the creation of wf certainly won't disappear because the descending process failed, since we actually saw those dark universes are still existing until Barbatos consuming them

Originally posted by carver9
If he didnt bring the multiverse over, how did Superman destroy it?
It was existing but never had the chance to replace the multiverse, Not in the main multiverse didn't mean it had been there or not existed, Like those dark universes in dc,People can walk in the dark multiverse even though those universes never've been bring into the main multiverse(the orrey).
Imagining the main multiverse is the computer and you've a U disk(the sixth dimension), In the U disk contains a file(WF's multiverse) that you just finished, You want cut and paste the file to the computer but someone knocked you out and destroyed the file. So you can't bring the file into the computer, But it doesn't mean the file is an illusion or not real

Originally posted by Stoic
Sentry is all that is needed. There was no debunking, just overactive imaginations, and false interpretations.

Based on

WF had already created a fully functioning multiverse, which was an exact replica of the mainstream DC multiverse(albeit evolved), complete with the concept of Hypertime.

Had WF struck the Crisis Anvil during JL#25, it would have allowed him to replace the existing multiverse with HIS multiverse in one fell swoop, without the Judges of the Source becoming aware of the switcheroo and destroying him(that was the whole point of Mxy causing a crisis-event and allowing the Crisis Anvil to form.)

When Superman socked WF and obliterated the Anvil, his multiverse was effectively destroyed.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
From my opinion. Superman pucnch's shockwave destroyed it , I mean in this scan you actually seeing there is a shockwave and it spreading out of the earth, and next scan we see the multiverse was destroyed.And the creation of wf certainly won't disappear because the descending process failed, since we actually saw those dark universes are still existing until Barbatos consuming them

Interesting. So u think a shockwave blew up wf's multiverse? Like how would one even come to that conclusion?
How would it even propagate through multiple dimensions since this thing wf built is being called a multiverse..? Is this even a thing? Maybe this multiverse was housed in a finite or maybe smaller space..
Dunno. Snyder was obviously all over the place evidenced by the constant interchange of "multiverse" and "universe" referring to wf's new reality, but i digress..

Also theres that bit about "blinking out of reality". Obviously there was a shockwave or shockwaves due to the crater that was left from the force of the punch, but r u saying the shockwaves picked and chose who to kill and what to destroy? Or maybe the force of the shockwave did leave a crater, but the reality(multuverse/universe) they were apparently in winked out of existence when the process wf was trying to complete was summarily interrupted.. I mean wf's reality was all around them. There were lives, buildings, worlds, stars, other dimensions i guess(multiverse) that enveloped the league.

What seems more plausible?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Interesting. So u think a shockwave blew up wf's multiverse? Like how would one even come to that conclusion?
How would it even propagate through multiple dimensions since this thing wf built is being called a multiverse..? Is this even a thing? Maybe this multiverse was housed in a finite or maybe smaller space..
Dunno. Snyder was obviously all over the place evidenced by the constant interchange of "multiverse" and "universe" referring to wf's new reality, but i digress..

Also theres that bit about "blinking out of reality". Obviously there was a shockwave or shockwaves due to the crater that was left from the force of the punch, but r u saying the shockwaves picked and chose who to kill and what to destroy? Or maybe the force of the shockwave did leave a crater, but the reality(multuverse/universe) they were apparently in winked out of existence when the process wf was trying to complete was summarily interrupted.. I mean wf's reality was all around them. There were lives, buildings, worlds, other dimensions i guess(multiverse) that enveloped the league.

What seems more plausible?

Well, From what I've read, The sixth dimension is a place where the multiverse was designed and set in motion
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League-2018/Issue-19?id=151014#14
So maybe in sixth dimension there will be some sorta way to solve the problem
And the "blinking out of reality", Like you've said this scene is a poetic one, Shayne unsure about his existence, Why?Because he was thinking himself comes from a not real reality, So he will say something like"Blinking out of reality" to express he is doubting himself, But Starman scanned him and made he sure about his existence, At least that is my interpretation.
And for the shockwave part, I genuinely thinking it is possible, I mean, There is no reason why WF's multiverse will disappear when the descending process was interrupted, There no evidences in the story suggesting this interpretation, And even some statements completely contradicting it.But maybe just the writer forgot it "shrug".
But like Neme said, Who cares, Superman koed the WF, That says it all

Originally posted by Galan007
WF had already created a fully functioning multiverse, which was an exact replica of the mainstream DC multiverse(albeit evolved), complete with the concept of Hypertime.

Had WF struck the Crisis Anvil during JL#25, it would have allowed him to replace the existing multiverse with HIS multiverse in one fell swoop, without the Judges of the Source becoming aware of the switcheroo and destroying him(that was the whole point of Mxy causing a crisis-event and allowing the Crisis Anvil to form.)

When Superman socked WF and obliterated the Anvil, his multiverse was effectively destroyed.

So destroying the Anvil causes the multiverse to be destroyed?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You completely wrong in the basic level that I almost couldn't believe my eyes
WF First step is: Creating universes, And second step is:Judging them and ushering the most stable universes to the orrey(Main multiverse), And those unstable, throwing into forge let Barbatos do his job
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Dark-Nights-Metal/Issue-4?id=127004#17
in other words, the descending process just related to whether those universes successfully descend on the orrey, It won't disappear because the descending process hasn't a chance to complete

All honestly what are you saying. Not even insulting, what are you trying to say. Is english your second language, genuinely curious
I don't know what you're saying

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
All honestly what are you saying. Not even insulting, what are you trying to say. Is english your second language, genuinely curious
I don't know what you're saying
In summary, WF's universes were created BEFORE he trying to usher them to reality, So the Crisis Anvil only purpose was just replace the main multiverse with WF's multiverse

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
In summary, WF's universes were created BEFORE he trying to usher them to reality, So the Crisis Anvil only purpose was just replace the main multiverse with WF's multiverse

Why does he need to replace it? Why not just enjoy is masterpiece and leave the mainstream universe alone?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
It was existing but never had the chance to replace the multiverse, Not in the main multiverse didn't mean it had been there or not existed, Like those dark universes in dc,People can walk in the dark multiverse even though those universes never've been bring into the main multiverse(the orrey).
Imagining the main multiverse is the computer and you've a U disk(the sixth dimension), In the U disk contains a file(WF's multiverse) that you just finished, You want cut and paste the file to the computer but someone knocked you out and destroyed the file. So you can't bring the file into the computer, But it doesn't mean the file is an illusion or not real

Where was it when Superman punched WF?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Why does he need to replace it?
To try and prevent Perpetua from being released.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Why does he need to replace it? Why not just enjoy is masterpiece and leave the mainstream universe alone?
Because the Judges of the Source is coming and WF couldn't let the doom win?What makes the thing worse is Perpetua has been released from the source wall
Just like the comics stated
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League-2018/Issue-20?id=152191#6

Originally posted by carver9
Where was it when Superman punched WF?
I don't know what you mean
Superman was in the multiverse when he punched WF, So it was in the sixth dimension, I mean it was very obvious, Why are you asking me this question?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Well, From what I've read, The sixth dimension is a place where the multiverse was designed and set in motion
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League-2018/Issue-19?id=151014#14
So maybe in sixth dimension there will be some sorta way to solve the problem
And the "blinking out of reality", Like you've said this scene is a poetic one, Shayne unsure about his existence, Why?Because he was thinking himself comes from a not real reality, So he will say something like"Blinking out of reality" to express he is doubting himself, But Starman scanned him and made he sure about his existence, At least that is my interpretation.

I think he described the way his family and his universe disappeared. Like literally. He even ascribed a length of time(1 second)in that whole process of the multiverse exploding going by your claim.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

And for the shockwave part, I genuinely thinking it is possible, I mean, There is no reason why WF's multiverse will disappear when the descending process was interrupted, There no evidences in the story suggesting this interpretation, And even some statements completely contradicting it.But maybe just the writer forgot it "shrug".
But like Neme said, Who cares, Superman koed the WF, That says it all

The league didn't die including shayne. They were there point blank. The planet they were on survived as well, minus a crater's worth of earth of course. Looks like surrounding celestial bodies appear to be intact. Stars, a moon, and wutever else were still there. I mean I can go on and on into other rabbit holes, but tha would be too much.
A shockwave propagatung into multiple infinities that picked and chose what to destroy and who to destroy just seems silly to me. And all this shockwave propagating happened in about a second. This is a far cry from Hulk's pants.....

Or maybe there was something more esoteric that happened... Like a multiverse/universe replete with its own lives and histories simply "blinked out of reality" (as described on-panel), when wf was taken down and his crisis anvil apprently destroyed..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I think he described the way his family and his universe disappeared. Like literally. He even ascribed a length of time(1 second)in that whole process of the multiverse exploding going by your claim.

The league didn't die including shayne. They were there point blank. The planet they were on survived as well, minus a crater's worth of earth of course. Looks like surrounding celestial bodies appear to be intact. Stars, a moon, and wutever else were still there. I mean I can go on and on into other rabbit holes, but tha would be too much.
A shockwave propagatung into multiple infinities that picked and chose what to destroy and who to destroy just seems silly to me. And all this shockwave propagating happened in about a second. This is a far cry from Hulk's pants.....

Or maybe there was something more esoteric that happened... Like a multiverse/universe replete with its own lives and histories simply "blinked out of reality" (as described on-panel), when wf was taken down and his crisis anvil apprently destroyed..


Agree to disagree I guess, Maybe Superman indeed indirectly destroyed multiverse by obliterating and beating WF.
Or maybe It was a shockwave that destroyed the multiverse and selectively not destroyed other league members, It happened before,many times actually. For instance: Superman vs Doomsday, Their shockwave creating massive explosions and in the end they both punching each other its shockwave shaking the earth. But Lois, Jimmy, and many bystanders just fine........From my personal opinions and feelings, Comic books are always a little silly in some degree......