Blue Marvel vs Superboy (Kon-El)

I see. You are comparing Blue Marvel to KC Superman instead of Superboy in order to use AB logic to make your case. So since Conner is only knocked completely unconscious as opposed to being killed, you have made a case that BM would not kill Conner with a single punch; something that no one has seriously claimed, if claimed at all.

Now for one, you may want to compare apples to apples, which would mean comparing a blow to a blow. From the standpoint of measurements of force, Blue Marvel is expressed to have moon splitting power. So we can move away from Arkansas. The moon is a little more than ¼ the size of Earth (assuming the book is referring to an Earth sized planet) and 1/80 it's mass, and it would appear that splitting an object in two with a blow requires significantly more force than moving it, making up for the difference in mass.

Now if I use similar AB logic, then consider that BM has evenly matched Earth-13034 Hyperion who catches an Earth sized planet coming at him at 500,000 miles per hour and holds apart two Earths, each backed by the force of its respective universe.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I see. You are comparing Blue Marvel to KC Superman instead of Superboy in order to use AB logic to make your case. So since Conner is only knocked completely unconscious as opposed to being killed, you have made a case that BM would not kill Conner with a single punch; something that no one has seriously claimed, if claimed at all.

Now for one, you may want to compare apples to apples, which would mean comparing a blow to a blow. From the standpoint of measurements of force, Blue Marvel is expressed to have moon splitting power. So we can move away from Arkansas. The moon is a little more than ¼ the size of Earth (assuming the book is referring to an Earth sized planet) and 1/80 it's mass, and it would appear that splitting an object in two with a blow requires significantly more force than moving it, making up for the difference in mass.

Now if I use similar AB logic, then consider that BM has evenly matched Earth-13034 Hyperion who catches an Earth sized planet coming at him at 500,000 miles per hour and holds apart two Earths, each backed by the force of its respective universe.

Lol, no, I am not. Stoic is. I was merely pointing out (without lowballing either side or nullifying BM) that Superboy has indeed tangled with characters who are supposedly out of his weight class.

But it's cute when you think you have a point - that's when you stop running

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, no, I am not. Stoic is. I was merely pointing out (without lowballing either side or nullifying BM) that Superboy has indeed tangled with characters who are supposedly out of his weight class.

But it's cute when you think you have a point - that's when you stop running

It's "cute" when you try to blame your actions on Stoic.

What exactly was I running from?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
It's "cute" when you try to blame your actions on Stoic.

What exactly was I running from?

Imperiex being consumed by Brainiac.

Darwin being hurt by a random taxi.

And blame? I was replying DIRECTLY to him, was I not? When you jumped in?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Imperiex being consumed by Brainiac.

Darwin being hurt by a random taxi.

And blame? I was replying DIRECTLY to him, was I not? When you jumped in?

I addressed Darwin as having experienced pain with no injury and differentiated between hurt and injured. I also stated that I don't entertain your attempts at "gotcha questions" where you finagle with semantics and then put words in people's mouths. State specifically why the question is so important to you.

Stoic made a direct comparison and you countered with what many of you guys critically call AB logic. Then you blamed him for the your AB logic.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I addressed Darwin as having experienced pain with no injury and differentiated between hurt and injured. I also stated that I don't entertain your attempts at "gotcha questions" where you finagle with semantics and then put words in people's mouths. State specifically why the question is so important to you.

Stoic made a direct comparison and you countered with what many of you guys critically call AB logic. Then you blamed him for the your AB logic.

Wait, you said hurt and injured were synonyms. I.e the same. You addressed nothing, as Darwin was clearly hurt/injured.

You not being smart enough to understand my reasons for asking is not my issue.

Stoic made a direct comparison. So did I.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, you said hurt and injured were synonyms. I.e the same. You addressed nothing, as Darwin was clearly hurt/injured.

You not being smart enough to understand my reasons for asking is not my issue.

Stoic made a direct comparison. So did I.

I said harmed and injured are synonyms. Then you thanked me for the English lesson.

You see, a vaccination shot hurts you, but it doesn't harm or injure you. Got it?

Oh, I understand why you pleaded for over a month for an answer. That's why I ignored it.

You compared Blue Marvel to KC Superman.

Now stay on topic please and cease with the adhominems.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I said harmed and injured are synonyms. Then you thanked me for the English lesson.

You see, a vaccination shot hurts you, but it doesn't harm or injure you. Got it?

Oh, I understand why you pleaded for over a month for an answer. That's why I ignored it.

You compared Blue Marvel to KC Superman.

Now stay on topic please and cease with the adhominems.

I don’t know the back story but I don’t believe you and who made the Adams to KC Superman comparison?

KC Superman is in a much much higher tier blue marvel.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I said harmed and injured are synonyms. Then you thanked me for the English lesson.

You see, a vaccination shot hurts you, but it doesn't harm or injure you. Got it?

Oh, I understand why you pleaded for over a month for an answer. That's why I ignored it.

You compared Blue Marvel to KC Superman.

Now stay on topic please and cease with the adhominems.

What?

You see, a vaccination shot DOES injure you lmao. It breaks your skin. Besides, Darwin was shown dazed, with his limbs all askew. Got it?

And I will continue to bring it up lol because I can tell you know that you made a serious misstep 😂

I was actually comparing moving a planet with moving a state, got it? 😂 How else do you compare these two characters from two different companies. I don't think you quite know what you are arguing about - you're just trying to pick holes (without finding any).

Originally posted by Diesldude
He survived a planet punch and got stronger after that.
It’s like getting hit by planet right in the face. Does Adam have that kind of output though?

Did you see that punch move a planet? From what I saw, it didn't even split the ground. Seems more like hyperbole than anything, because if it was powerful enoguh to one shot a planet, the planet should been one shot. Not even a building fell. Meanwhile Adam nearly split the moon in half with one blow.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I don't think you quite know what you are arguing about - you're just trying to pick holes (without finding any).

Originally posted by Stoic
Did you see that punch move a planet? From what I saw, it didn't even split the ground. Seems more like hyperbole than anything, because if it was powerful enoguh to one shot a planet, the planet should been one shot. Not even a building fell. Meanwhile Adam nearly split the moon in half with one blow.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What?

You see, a vaccination shot DOES injure you lmao. It breaks your skin. Besides, Darwin was shown dazed, with his limbs all askew. Got it?

And I will continue to bring it up lol because I can tell you know that you made a serious misstep 😂

I was actually comparing moving a planet with moving a state, got it? 😂 How else do you compare these two characters from two different companies. I don't think you quite know what you are arguing about - you're just trying to pick holes (without finding any).

Outside of your semantics gymnastics, you would never refer to that as an injury. And if I made a misstep, address it. Seems to me that you are desperately trying to acquired some perceived misstep that you haven't gotten. So keep on pleading.

And understand that Darwin's limbs going askew means nothing if his body has changed to some flexible material. His power is adaptability, not a healing factor.

Why use Arkansas as opposed to moon splitting? And your AB logic is why I compared planet moving to catching a planet coming at 500,000 miles per hour and holding two universes apart.

And thanks for totally debunking Diesldude's previous post for me.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Outside of your semantics gymnastics, you would never refer to that as an injury. And if I made a misstep, address it. Seems to me that you are desperately trying to acquired some perceived misstep that you haven't gotten. So keep on pleading.

And understand that Darwin's limbs going askew means nothing if his body has changed to some flexible material. His power is adaptability, not a healing factor.

Why use Arkansas as opposed to moon splitting? And your AB logic is why I compared planet moving to catching a planet coming at 500,000 miles per hour and holding two universes apart.

And thanks for totally debunking Diesldude's previous post for me.

More lies and cowardice.

What Diesl's conversation with you is nothing to do with me - I was chatting to Stoic when you jumped in.

As for the usage of Hyperion, sure, use it if you want. I was merely pointing out (and am reiterating because you really seem to want to argue with me lol) that using Arkansas/Blue Marvel to argue that Superboy is out of his weight class is not right, when he's fought and taken blows from a guy that moves planets with a single hit.

Somehow that really rankles you lol.

Who cares what picture DC wants to consistently paint when it come to PIS? Conner himself can't move these objects. Adam didn't even struggle with the state sized object which logically means that he could move far more. And since we're on the irrelevant subject of other characters outside of the jobbing that is often seen, who is this planet mover that you're speaking of? Take note that I really don't care about your disingenuous future answer, the only thing that matters here is that Conner is outmatched in every area. Smarts, strength, power, durabilty, and experience. If the planet mover that you are referring to is Superboy Prime, the forum has clear rules against mentioning PIS, or Spiderman legitimately defeated Firelord.

Originally posted by Stoic
Who cares what picture DC wants to consistently paint when it come to PIS? Conner himself can't move these objects. Adam didn't even struggle with the state sized object which logically means that he could move far more. And since we're on the irrelevant subject of other characters outside of the jobbing that is often seen, who is this planet mover that you're speaking of? Take note that I really don't care about your disingenuous future answer, the only thing that matters here is that Conner is outmatched in every area. Smarts, strength, power, durabilty, and experience. If the planet mover that you are referring to is Superboy Prime, the forum has clear rules against mentioning PIS, or Spiderman legitimately defeated Firelord.

I already posted it. It was Kingdom Come Superman. But if you don't care, then sure, troll away.

Originally posted by carver9
He contained an abstract

Did he now. Golly gosh.

How long did it take you to find this?

But hulk is an abstract himself, isn't he carter?