As of ROTS theres nothing to suggest Obi-Wan is Mauls equal in the Force.
We only saw Maul in a few episodes of TCW and he did some crazy shit, including force shoving Obi-Wan a couple of times mind you.
Whilst Obi-Wan appeared throughout the series and rarely performed the odd impressive feat but nothing on the level of Maul.
Originally posted by ozz81
^^ yeah in most of the fights before rebels looks like Maul had the upper hand with regards to force powers etc ..
While I'm sure maul's force powers are awesome, he's never able to use them when they'are actually fighting...
Nah.
Fight 1 in Revenge: Maul won.
Fight 2 on Florrum (1 v 1): Maul was driving Kenobi back the whole time, but fight halts when Kenobi lands a kick which does nothing but separate them.
Fight 3 on Florrum (2 v 1): Kenobi is outnumbered but seems to have the advantage. However Maul never drops or gets hurt in anyway, ragdolls Kenobi mid-fight, and ends the fight by Force slamming him. It was also one of those A Game moments for Kenobi according to Witwer.
And This was all a Maul still in recovery and on his Chicken legs mind you.
Up to ROTS, Maul has greater force powers by all accounts. Either prove Kenobis case in the Force otherwise quit dragging this into another all out ROTS Kenobi vs Maul thread.
Originally posted by Darth ThorFight 1 in Revenge: Maul won.
Fight 1: Kenobi has maul dead to rights in 40 seconds
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Fight 2 on Florrum (1 v 1): Maul was driving Kenobi back the whole time, but fight halts when Kenobi lands a kick which does nothing but separate them.
Soresu user gradually gives ground to Juyo user. Shocker.
And that kick doesn't just "separate them", it disorientates Maul for 6 seconds.
Seriosly, the second Kenobi goes on the offensive, Maul gets hurt. How does this suggest Maul>Kenobi?
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Fight 3 on Florrum (2 v 1): Kenobi is outnumbered but seems to have the advantage. However Maul never drops or gets hurt in anyway,
Does getting your head banged in a wall, not count as "getting hurt'?
he ragdolled Kenobi mid-fight
And This was all a Maul still in recovery and on his Chicken legs mind you.
[quote]Great, now quantify that growth in reference to Kenobi's. :/
[quote]Up to ROTS, Maul has greater force powers by all accounts. [/B]
into another all out ROTS Kenobi vs Maul thread.
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in the above link though disregarding the rebels scene it looks like edge to Maul in all of the fights especially when he uses his force powers, Kenobi couldnt block them or use any against him . Oh fair enough when Obi kicked maul in that cavern scene maul quickly recovered from it and ran towards Obi to duel again didnt look like it stunned him that bad..
Im trying to look for another vid clip or scene from the series but sadly cant find it where Kenobi is sort of in midair/or high enough in the air via a jetpack he confronts maul again and maul uses the force to get/or lure Obi towards him and grabs Obi by the neck hoisting him with only one arm: seems like quite an impressive force feat .. Seems like Maul has more superior force feats then Obi .
When Maul fought pre vizsla his fight against him looked better then Obis etc. Duel wise looks like it could go either way , in cannon Maul is ranked third highest in the Sith Lord red light saber: higher/better then Dooku but below sidious and vader, not bad i guess..
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in the above link though disregarding the rebels scene it looks like edge to Maul in all of the fights especially
For example the first fight is cut right before Kenobi has maul at his mercy here:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=93
If this is a 1 v1, Maul gets killed or captured in 40 seconds. That's not really something that happens when you have an edge.
Im trying to look for another vid clip or scene from the series but sadly cant find it where Kenobi is sort of in midair/or high enough in the air via a jetpack he confronts maul again and maul uses the force to get/or lure Obi
kenobi has never defended against Maul/quote]
Well, in canon, force users can't defend against opponents unless facing them. You can theoretically break a force grip of a vastly inferioir force user, but only Vader's ever done that. It's why Ahsoka was able to ragdoll Maul despite being a a little bit weaker.[QUOTE] in cannon Maul is ranked third highest in the Sith Lord red light saber: higher/better then Dooku.. [/B]
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
,That's because the clip is cutting out key parts of the fights.
For example the first fight is cut right before Kenobi has maul at his mercy here:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=93If this is a 1 v1, Maul gets killed or captured in 40 seconds. That's not really something that happens when you have an edge.
Kenobi wasn't in mid-air. He was on the ground, limping from an explosion...
That kind of guide book also says AOTC Kenobi is more powerful than Dooku. :/
Yeah with the first fight Obi didnt have maul at his mercy(and maul never got captured or killed for 40 seconds sounds made up tbh) he sort of pushed him to the side then Maul later dominated by kicking kenobi around he also kicked him of the platform and Obi wan admitted in that first fight to Asaj ventress that "were outmatched" hence edge to Maul and savage. And Obi and Ventress both ran away from maul and savage and flew away in some ship.. Maul and savage clearly dominated the first fight.
No honestly im pretty sure kenobi was in the air using the jetpack, Maul force grabbed him by the neck and lifted him up with one arm Kenobi couldnt do anything.
Also in the cave fight Maul used his force powers against kenobi , kenobi couldnt do anything to stop him..
Where does is state that Kenobi was better then dooku in that book? Ok fair enough if thats the case hence Obi and Maul could be even in saber duel could go either way i guess ..
But overall Mauls force powers seem to be more superior then Kenobis..
Originally posted by ozz81
Yeah fair enough with the first fight Obi didnt have maul at his mercy
Maul later dominated by kicking kenobi around he also kicked him of the platform and Obi wan admitted that first fight to Asaj ventress that "were outmatched" hence edge to Maul and savage.
Then in the next fight Kenobi hurts Maul in their 1 v1, and then outperforms maul during a 2 v1.
No honestly im pretty sure kenobi was in the air using the jetpack Maul force grabbed him by the neck and lifted him up with one arm Kenobi couldnt do anything.
Yeah fair enough if Kenobi is a better duelist then Dooku hence Obi and Maul could be even in saber duel could go either way ..But overall Mauls force powers seem to be more superior then Kenobis..
No Maul isnt knocked out at all infact the opposite Kenobi was knocked out by savage see the above link .Its like your making it up mauls not knocked out at all, Obi just pushes him to the side and mauls still perseveres and kicks kenobi around.
Obi admitted to asaj that they were outmatched meaning maul and savage were more dominant and superior.
Maul doesnt seem hurt by Kenobi at all where show me the scene ? In the cave scene when obi cuts of savages arm Maul force pushes kenobi against a wall and kenobis knocked out..
Kenobi wasnt injured by the explosion at all he looked well and fit Maul still overpowered him there and could have killed him in that scene but obviously because of the plot they wouldnt do that . Yeah true Maul is written to be that way ie failing in the end due to his overconfidence almost like its become iconic .
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Rewatch, Maul's literally KO'd. The reason the fight doesn't end there is because Kenobi threw ventress her lightsaber as oppress was about to bisect her into two.They were outmatched, eventually. Just like TPM Kenobi eventually "defeated maul". That doesn't really change that when Kenobi wasn't screaming like a lunatic, he had maul beat 40 seconds into the fight.
Then in the next fight Kenobi hurts Maul in their 1 v1, and then outperforms maul during a 2 v1.
Kenobi was injured by a crash+explosion. :/
Maul's force powers may be superioir, but they weren't enough to prevent Kenobi from ****ing Maul up during their duels.
No Maul isnt knocked out at all infact the opposite Kenobi was knocked out by savage initially see the above link . Yeah mauls not really knocked out at all, Obi just pushes him and then kicks him into boxes to the side and mauls still get up and perseveres and kicks kenobi around dominating the fight etc. Also when Kenobi jumps on that platform Maul kicks kenobi against the wall and kenobi seems temporarily knocked out then maul kicks him of the platform...
Obi admitted to asaj that they were outmatched meaning maul and savage were more dominant and superior.
Maul doesnt seem to get hurt by Kenobi at all where show me the scene ?Mauls leg gets shot of thats all. In the cave scene when obi cuts of savages arm Maul force pushes kenobi against a wall and kenobis knocked out..
Kenobi wasnt injured by the explosion at all he looked well and fit Maul still overpowered him there and could have killed him in that scene but obviously because of the plot they wouldnt do that . Yeah true Maul is written to be that way ie failing in the end due to his overconfidence almost like its become iconic .
Originally posted by ozz81
https://youtu.be/KaqUVn1az4wNo Maul isnt knocked out at all infact the opposite Kenobi was knocked out by savage see the above link .Its like your making it up mauls not knocked out at all, Obi just pushes him to the side and mauls still perseveres and kicks kenobi around.
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=99
^^^^ Maul gets up 4 seconds later while Kenobi's focused on ventress
Bonus round:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=100
Kenobi can kill Maul right here but instead takes the light saber and throws it. Why?
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=104
Ventress is about to be bisected.
Oh, and what happens when ventress catches the lightsaber:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=106
Maul, just gets up.
Kenobi could have ended the fight, either of those three instances. You know why he doesn't? Becuase Ventress is about to get killed by Oppress.
None of that is included in the link you showed, so naturally, if you watched it, you would think "they were stalemating."
For future reference, if you're going to use a link, make sure it includes the entire fight. If there's any editing, be suspicious, because that could mean you're missing something.
Obi admitted to asaj that they were outmatched meaning maul and savage were more dominant and superior.
That does not mean Maul> or even equal Kenobi.
Maul doesnt seem to get hurt by Kenobi at all where show me the scene ?
Now here's a challenge. Go and find anything from their two duels where Maul does something to Kenobi he needs more than a couple seconds to recover from. Even when Kenobi is physically and mentally out of shape, Maul can't damage Kenobi the way Kenobi can hurt Maul. Kenobi's simply better when it comes to martial combat.
Kenobi wasnt injured by the explosion at all he looked well and fit Maul still overpowered him there
"Kenobi ignites his blade but he is too shaken from the crash "
Kenobi wins both. Idk why there's still a discussion on this Filoni makes it pretty clear Maul is no match for Obi-Wan when he has focus and clarity. Maul on his best day loses to Obi-Wan on his best day every time. By ROTS the only way Maul wins is if Obi-Wan is having a bad day. It's as easy as that.