Darth Maul vs Obi-Wan Kenobi (See details)

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Originally posted by Lord Stark
Kenobi wins both. Idk why there's still a discussion on this Filoni makes it pretty clear Maul is no match for Obi-Wan when he has focus and clarity. Maul on his best day loses to Obi-Wan on his best day every time. By ROTS the only way Maul wins is if Obi-Wan is having a bad day. It's as easy as that.

Filonis comments refer to Maul vs Kenobi as of REBELS. When Kenobis maturity and mental clarity was just on another level. Whilst Maul was still his old immature self, but more impatient and frustrated than ever. So not relevant to ROTS.

Sure Maul would like lose due to his over confidence weakness even if he had the advantage hed screw it up.

But in terms of Saber prowess theres nothing to suggest Kenobi has more than a small advantage as of ROTS. But theres a lot to suggest Maul is more powerful in the Force.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Your link isn't showing the full fight. Here's I'll do this for you:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=94
^^^^ Maul is down

https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=99

^^^^ Maul gets up 4 seconds later while Kenobi's focused on ventress

Bonus round:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=100

Kenobi can kill Maul right here but instead takes the light saber and throws it. Why?
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=104
Ventress is about to be bisected.

Oh, and what happens when ventress catches the lightsaber:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=106
Maul, just gets up.

Kenobi could have ended the fight, either of those three instances. You know why he doesn't? Becuase Ventress is about to get killed by Oppress.

None of that is included in the link you showed, so naturally, if you watched it, you would think "they were stalemating."

For future reference, if you're going to use a link, make sure it includes the entire fight. If there's any editing, be suspicious, because that could mean you're missing something.

Yes, Oppress+Maul were "more dominant and superioir" to Ventress+Kenobi. Because Ventress getting diarmed cost Kenobi three chances to win the fight.

That does not mean Maul> or even equal Kenobi.

https://youtu.be/U-Lww1aKZAQ?t=104
^Maul's head comes down visibly hurt.
https://youtu.be/U-Lww1aKZAQ?t=110
^Maul's head comes up 6 seconds later.

Now here's a challenge. Go and find anything from their two duels where Maul does something to Kenobi he needs more than a couple seconds to recover from. Even when Kenobi is physically and mentally out of shape, Maul can't damage Kenobi the way Kenobi can hurt Maul. Kenobi's simply better when it comes to martial combat.

Okay, I'm just going to cite starwars.com since neither of us can find the clip:
https://www.starwars.com/series/clone-wars/the-lawless-episode-gallery

"Kenobi ignites his blade but he is too shaken from the crash "

https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I

Yes ok cool I dig and know what you mean when you stated obi could have killed maul in the links you posted true that I guess ,but also the same could be said in favour of maul as well : there are many instances maul could have killed Kenobi as well so for example in the same link above in scene 2:22 : When he kicks Kenobi against the wall Kenobi is sort of knocked out/stunned for like 12 seconds much longer then when Kenobi knocks out/stuns maul ie so when :he pushes maul into the box: mauls stunned for 5 seconds then when Kenobi kicks maul again hes stunned for another 4 seconds: much less then mauls kick on the platform mentioned above. Maul could have easily executed obi in that scene 2:22 as he was knocked out for quite some time . Obi was knocked out/stunned much longer then maul.
Also in the same link above Maul got more kicks and attacks in then Kenobi, Maul got a total of 5 kicks/attacks Kenobi attacks maul physically 3 times.
In the start Savage knocked Kenobi out for quite some time and still he/they could have killed him so easily then.
So first fight as Obi mentioned they were outmatched hence maul and savage being more superior in the fight dominating.

https://youtu.be/U-Lww1aKZAQ

Okay Part two in the fight obi did slightly better but still not enough to bring maul down , he got in two kicks to slightly stun maul slightly . Maul overpowered Obi in scene 3.33 in link above using force powers Kenobi was knocked out for 7 seconds Kenobi couldn’t block it or do anything to stop it that’s where maul has advantage in the fight. And in those 7 seconds when Kenobi was knocked out maul could have killed him so easily then.
I guess also Maul could have used his Force powers to stomp obi on the ground up and down knocking him out and go for the kill just like when sidious did to maul in their duel etc..
Just generally I think Obi has a slight advantage over maul initially because remember maul was cut in half he was sort of incapacitated and inactive for a couple years or so hence his skills were atrophied to a certain extent I guess hence Kenobi has more fighting experience …
Maul also has a better damage soak ie survived being cut in half don’t think Kenobi could have done that plus maul used his dark force powers and will to survive.
Ok obi was shaken after the crash . Shaken doesn’t mean injured still he had time to recover don’t see it as a excuse in favour of him being at a big disadvantage. Shaken means when ones body or voice trembles uncontrollably from a strong emotion so he wasn’t injured ie no broken bones or wounds etc. Obi was still fit enough to get up as he stood up finely and ignited the saber . Maul still did well by force choking him and telekinetically grabbing him by the neck disarming and hoisting Kenobi with one arm when he has the jetpack as well in that scene maul could have executed him as well. I guess a good strength and force feat as well.

https://youtu.be/_Vtj5YxDcCk

https://youtu.be/zEu_U78XFg4

The Fights with privisla above : the maul one was more better or impressive/because obviously it was longer and because of the circumstance and situation etc so when Maul kicks pri visla down to the ground maul breaks his jet pack on impact but when Kenobi did something similar he couldn’t break privislas jetpack etc . Maul tanked three Grenades without being knocked out when he fought privisla hence good durability or damage soak, don’t think Obi will be able to tank that. Also Obi disarmed privisla once but then privisla came back at obi and disarmed obi and knocked obi wan out for 6 seconds, he (Privisla) couldnt do that to maul, he used 3 grenades on maul and couldn’t knock maul out. Mauls hand to hand feats seem better then Obis but I guess this can be done in a separate thread.

I’m mainly trying to focus on the force powers maul seems more powerful in that department with more better force feats and abilities.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
TPM: Kenobi also won. Why would you even respond if you can't be bothered to address my points:

:/

Soresu user gradually gives ground to Juyo user. Shocker.

And that kick doesn't just "separate them", it disorientates Maul for 6 seconds.

Seriosly, the second Kenobi goes on the offensive, Maul gets hurt. How does this suggest Maul>Kenobi?

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Does getting your head banged in a wall, not count as "getting hurt'?

While Kenobi was spinning between combatants. Odd that's he's never tried this in a 1v1(it's almost like he can't).

What accounts?

Ah, thought it was just Kenobi v Maul. Fair, fair. With Kenobi's legends showings, and power growth, stripped of him, Maul probably wins by default. Unless Kenobi scales off Anakin in someway. I don't know what canon has to say about the mustafar duel.

https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I

(made a minor adjustment sorry for the repeat post) Yes ok cool I dig and know what you mean when you stated obi could have killed maul in the links you posted true that I guess ,but also the same could be said in favour of maul as well : there are many instances maul could have killed Kenobi as well so for example in the same link above in scene 2:22 : When he kicks Kenobi against the wall Kenobi is sort of knocked out/stunned for like 12 seconds much longer then when Kenobi knocks out/stuns maul ie so when :he pushes maul into the box: mauls stunned for 5 seconds then when Kenobi kicks maul again hes stunned for another 4 seconds: much less then mauls kick on the platform mentioned above. Maul could have easily executed obi in that scene 2:22 as he was knocked out for quite some time . Obi was knocked out/stunned much longer then maul.
Also in the same link above Maul got more kicks and attacks in then Kenobi, so : Maul got a total of 5 kicks/attacks against Kenobi, where as Kenobi only gets in 3 attacks against maul. Mauls martial arts seems better then kenobis in this scene .
In the start Savage knocked Kenobi out for quite some time and still he/they could have killed him so easily then.
So first fight as Obi mentioned they were outmatched hence maul and savage being more superior in the fight dominating.

https://youtu.be/U-Lww1aKZAQ

Okay Part two in the fight obi did slightly better but still not enough to bring maul down , he got in two kicks to stun maul slightly . Maul overpowered Obi in scene 3.33 in link above using force powers Kenobi was knocked out for 7 seconds Kenobi couldn’t block it or do anything to stop it that’s where maul has advantage in the fight. And in those 7 seconds when Kenobi was knocked out maul could have killed him so easily then.
I guess also Maul could have used his Force powers to stomp obi on the ground up and down knocking him out and go for the kill just like when sidious did to maul in their duel etc..
Just generally I think Obi has a slight advantage over maul initially because remember maul was cut in half he was sort of incapacitated and inactive for a couple years or so hence his skills were atrophied to a certain extent I guess hence Kenobi has more fighting experience …
Maul also has a better damage soak ie survived being cut in half don’t think Kenobi could have done that plus maul used his dark force powers and will to survive.
Ok obi was shaken after the crash . Shaken doesn’t mean injured still he had time to recover don’t see it as a excuse in favour of him being at a big disadvantage. Shaken means when ones body or voice trembles uncontrollably from a strong emotion so he wasn’t injured ie no broken bones or wounds etc. Obi was still fit enough to get up as he stood up finely and ignited the saber . Maul still did well by force choking him and telekinetically grabbing him by the neck disarming and hoisting Kenobi with one arm when he has the jetpack as well in that scene maul could have executed him as well. I guess a good strength and force feat as well.

https://youtu.be/_Vtj5YxDcCk

https://youtu.be/zEu_U78XFg4

The Fights with privisla above : the maul one was more better or impressive/because obviously it was longer and because of the circumstance and situation etc so when Maul kicks pri visla down to the ground maul breaks his jet pack on impact but when Kenobi did something similar he couldn’t break privislas jetpack etc . Maul tanked three Grenades without being knocked out when he fought privisla hence good durability or damage soak, don’t think Obi will be able to tank that. Also Obi disarmed privisla once but then privisla came back at obi and disarmed obi and knocked obi wan out for 6 seconds, he (Privisla) couldnt do that to maul, he used 3 grenades on maul and couldn’t knock maul out. Mauls hand to hand combat/martial arts feats seem better then Obis but I guess this can be done in a separate thread.

I’m mainly trying to focus on the force powers maul seems more powerful in that department with more better force feats and abilities.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Your link isn't showing the full fight. Here's I'll do this for you:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=94
^^^^ Maul is down

https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=99

^^^^ Maul gets up 4 seconds later while Kenobi's focused on ventress

Bonus round:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=100

Kenobi can kill Maul right here but instead takes the light saber and throws it. Why?
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=104
Ventress is about to be bisected.

Oh, and what happens when ventress catches the lightsaber:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=106
Maul, just gets up.

Kenobi could have ended the fight, either of those three instances. You know why he doesn't? Becuase Ventress is about to get killed by Oppress.

None of that is included in the link you showed, so naturally, if you watched it, you would think "they were stalemating."

For future reference, if you're going to use a link, make sure it includes the entire fight. If there's any editing, be suspicious, because that could mean you're missing something.

Yes, Oppress+Maul were "more dominant and superioir" to Ventress+Kenobi. Because Ventress getting diarmed cost Kenobi three chances to win the fight.

That does not mean Maul> or even equal Kenobi.

https://youtu.be/U-Lww1aKZAQ?t=104
^Maul's head comes down visibly hurt.
https://youtu.be/U-Lww1aKZAQ?t=110
^Maul's head comes up 6 seconds later.

Now here's a challenge. Go and find anything from their two duels where Maul does something to Kenobi he needs more than a couple seconds to recover from. Even when Kenobi is physically and mentally out of shape, Maul can't damage Kenobi the way Kenobi can hurt Maul. Kenobi's simply better when it comes to martial combat.

Okay, I'm just going to cite starwars.com since neither of us can find the clip:
https://www.starwars.com/series/clone-wars/the-lawless-episode-gallery

"Kenobi ignites his blade but he is too shaken from the crash "

https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I

(Sorry for the repeat post i replied to the wrong post disregard the other two posts, made a minor adjustment) Yes ok cool I dig and know what you mean when you stated obi could have killed maul in the links you posted true that I guess ,but also the same could be said in favour of maul as well : there are many instances maul could have killed Kenobi as well so for example in the same link above in scene 2:22 : When he kicks Kenobi against the wall Kenobi is sort of knocked out/stunned for like 12 seconds much longer then when Kenobi knocks out/stuns maul ie so when :he pushes maul into the box: mauls stunned for 5 seconds then when Kenobi kicks maul again hes stunned for another 4 seconds: much less then mauls kick on the platform mentioned above. Maul could have easily executed obi in that scene 2:22 as he was knocked out for quite some time . Obi was knocked out/stunned much longer then maul.
Also in the same link above Maul got more kicks and attacks in then Kenobi, so : Maul got a total of 5 kicks/attacks against Kenobi, where as Kenobi only gets in 3 attacks against maul. Mauls martial arts seems better then kenobis in this scene .
In the start Savage knocked Kenobi out for quite some time and still he/they could have killed him so easily then.
So first fight as Obi mentioned they were outmatched hence maul and savage being more superior in the fight dominating.

https://youtu.be/U-Lww1aKZAQ

Okay Part two in the fight obi did slightly better but still not enough to bring maul down , he got in two kicks to stun maul slightly . Maul overpowered Obi in scene 3.33 in link above using force powers Kenobi was knocked out for 7 seconds Kenobi couldn’t block it or do anything to stop it that’s where maul has advantage in the fight. And in those 7 seconds when Kenobi was knocked out maul could have killed him so easily then.
I guess also Maul could have used his Force powers to stomp obi on the ground up and down knocking him out and go for the kill just like when sidious did to maul in their duel etc..
Just generally I think Obi has a slight advantage over maul initially because remember maul was cut in half he was sort of incapacitated and inactive for a couple years or so hence his skills were atrophied to a certain extent I guess hence Kenobi has more fighting experience …
Maul also has a better damage soak ie survived being cut in half don’t think Kenobi could have done that plus maul used his dark force powers and will to survive.
Ok obi was shaken after the crash . Shaken doesn’t mean injured still he had time to recover don’t see it as a excuse in favour of him being at a big disadvantage. Shaken means when ones body or voice trembles uncontrollably from a strong emotion so he wasn’t injured ie no broken bones or wounds etc. Obi was still fit enough to get up as he stood up finely and ignited the saber . Maul still did well by force choking him and telekinetically grabbing him by the neck disarming and hoisting Kenobi with one arm when he has the jetpack as well in that scene maul could have executed him as well. I guess a good strength and force feat as well.

https://youtu.be/_Vtj5YxDcCk

https://youtu.be/zEu_U78XFg4

The Fights with privisla above : the maul one was more better or impressive/because obviously it was longer and because of the circumstance and situation etc so when Maul kicks pri visla down to the ground maul breaks his jet pack on impact but when Kenobi did something similar he couldn’t break privislas jetpack etc . Maul tanked three Grenades without being knocked out when he fought privisla hence good durability or damage soak, don’t think Obi will be able to tank that. Also Obi disarmed privisla once but then privisla came back at obi and disarmed obi and knocked obi wan out for 6 seconds, he (Privisla) couldnt do that to maul, he used 3 grenades on maul and couldn’t knock maul out. Mauls hand to hand combat/martial arts feats seem better then Obis but I guess this can be done in a separate thread.

I’m mainly trying to focus on the force powers maul seems more powerful in that department with more better force feats and abilities.

Ozz owning Rocky.

Just a couple of clarifications:

1. Maul vs Obi-Wan in the Turtle Tanker was Mauls first proper duel in 10 years. He was completely out of practice. Once he got into the fight though, he dealt with Kenobi.

2. Its confirmed Maul never wanted to kill Obi-Wan in S5. He beat him senseless in S4, but that didnt make him feel better, so he figured the better solution was a long drawn out emotional torture first.

3. After what Maul did to Bo-Katan its quite clear how easily Maul can deal with Pre-Vizsla. And what a ridiculous comparison anyway. By that measuring stick S4 Ashoka is > S5 Maul facepalm

Rocky is clearly all sorts of butthurt after S7, and couldnt let this go even though this thread was supposed to be a Maul vs Kenobi FORCE Contest. But clearly he cant bring himself to say in any thread or in any context that Maul > Kenobi.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Kenobi wins both. Idk why there's still a discussion on this Filoni makes it pretty clear Maul is no match for Obi-Wan when he has focus and clarity. Maul on his best day loses to Obi-Wan on his best day every time. By ROTS the only way Maul wins is if Obi-Wan is having a bad day. It's as easy as that.

Do you have a quote for that?

As far as I'm aware that kind of thing only exists for Kenobi as of Rebels

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Filonis comments refer to Maul vs Kenobi as of REBELS. When Kenobis maturity and mental clarity was just on another level. Whilst Maul was still his old immature self, but more impatient and frustrated than ever. So not relevant to ROTS.

Sure Maul would like lose due to his over confidence weakness even if he had the advantage hed screw it up.

But in terms of Saber prowess theres nothing to suggest Kenobi has more than a small advantage as of ROTS. But theres a lot to suggest Maul is more powerful in the Force.

Filoni said something similar when Kenobi defeated Maul in the 2v1 with Savage.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

3. After what Maul did to Bo-Katan its quite clear how easily Maul can deal with Pre-Vizsla. And what a ridiculous comparison anyway. By that measuring stick S4 Ashoka is > S5 Maul facepalm
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I never brought up pre-visla. 😬

savage could have killed kenobi

You mean when he ambushed him?

Yes ok cool I dig and know what you mean when you stated obi could have killed maul in the links you posted true that I guess ,but also the same could be said in favour of maul as well

There's one, when kenobi is crumpled in the corner. When kenobi's 'knocked out' the first time he's still looking at maul and holding his lightsaber. After oppress saves his ass three times, Maul does have the advantage against Kenobi who at this point is angrily charging Maul like a lunatic. It is worth asking, why Kenobi is angrily charging here when Maul taunting Kenobi is unable to evoke anger elsewhere....
Just generally I think Obi has a slight advantage over maul initially because remember maul was cut in half he was sort of incapacitated and inactive for a couple years or so hence his skills were atrophied to a certain extent I guess hence Kenobi has more fighting experience

Maul is rusty, true. Thankfully, Maul was kind enough to even the odds for us:
.https://youtu.be/KaqUVn1az4w?t=145
Thor ignored this for some reason, but I'd say it gives us a good reason for why Maul was able to taunt Kenobi into running like a lunatic. Also, lets be clear here, it wasn't a 'slight edge', it was a decisive one. And we can talk about what maul does when Kenobi's uncharacteristically tapping into his darkside, but none of that really comes into play without Oppress and Ventress. Fights are about taking out your opponent --first--.


Maul also has a better damage soak ie survived being cut in half don’t think Kenobi could have done that plus maul used his dark force powers and will to survive.

A beat up and tortured Kenobi was able to get right up after getting kicked twice in the head, and once in the chest. Highly doubt maul's "damage soak" is going to do anything here when Maul generally gets hurt more by Kenobi's hits than vice versa.
Maul landed more hits

Sure, but Kenobi had maul at his mercy more. And its important to track the content surrounding the duel. Does Kenobi ever fight like he does in the last 30 seconds of the duel? Have we ever seen Kenobi lose his cool like that without torture? After their fight in revenge, Maul is never able to land a hit on Kenobi again, and before Kenobi screams "aaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!" Maul gets decisively beat.

FYI, this isn't just speculation, Filoni confirms Kenobi is mentally out of sorts while he fights Maul. And filoni specifcally cites Kenobi's "state of mind" as why Kenobi loses.

It's like Maul's "overconfidence" except, unlike Maul, it only happens under the worst of circumstances. Hence why in season 5, Kenobi maintains the advantage via the blade we see him establish in the first part of their revenge duel.

The Fights with privisla above : the maul one was more better or impressive/because obviously it was longer

Huh? Why does it being longer make it more impressive? Kenobi was able to beat visla three times in less than a minuite. Kenobi's performance is way better than Maul's.

haken

Actually shaken can mean many things depending on the context.

So lets see what the context here is:

"Kenobi ignites his lightsaber blade but is "too shaken from the crash". Maul snatches Kenobi in a telekentic grip and disarms him."

Irrelevant of what you think shaken means, it's clear it was "from the clash" and the "too" in context would indicate being shaken prevented him from a successful defense. Regardless of how you interpret 'shaken', it's only because of the crash, that makes Maul's "win" here something that could have only happened because Kenobi crashed.

Maul's force blast on florrum is somewhat applicable(tho its similar to other emotion-reliant showings like ventress choking anakin and kenobi), but even then, it's not at all clear Maul would have gotten to Kenobi in time to finish the job.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

bring himself to say in any thread or in any context that Maul > Kenobi. [/B]


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Maul probably wins by default. Unless Kenobi scales off Anakin in someway. I don't know what canon has to say about the mustafar duel.

Kenobi reacts to Savage before he gets a hit in so.. I just take it to be that Savage will throw almost any opponent off guard if they don't approach him in a careful manner considering he's so strong like when Dooku and Obi/Anakin fight him.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
You mean when he ambushed him?

There's one, when kenobi is crumpled in the corner. When kenobi's 'knocked out' the first time he's still looking at maul and holding his lightsaber. After oppress saves his ass three times, Maul does have the advantage against Kenobi who at this point is angrily charging Maul like a lunatic. It is worth asking, why Kenobi is angrily charging here when Maul taunting Kenobi is unable to evoke anger elsewhere....

Maul is rusty, true. Thankfully, Maul was kind enough to even the odds for us:
.https://youtu.be/KaqUVn1az4w?t=145
Thor ignored this for some reason, but I'd say it gives us a good reason for why Maul was able to taunt Kenobi into running like a lunatic. Also, lets be clear here, it wasn't a 'slight edge', it was a decisive one. And we can talk about what maul does when Kenobi's uncharacteristically tapping into his darkside, but none of that really comes into play without Oppress and Ventress. Fights are about taking out your opponent --first--.

A beat up and tortured Kenobi was able to get right up after getting kicked twice in the head, and once in the chest. Highly doubt maul's "damage soak" is going to do anything here when Maul generally gets hurt more by Kenobi's hits than vice versa.

Sure, but Kenobi had maul at his mercy more. And its important to track the content surrounding the duel. Does Kenobi ever fight like he does in the last 30 seconds of the duel? Have we ever seen Kenobi lose his cool like that without torture? After their fight in revenge, Maul is never able to land a hit on Kenobi again, and before Kenobi screams "aaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!" Maul gets decisively beat.

FYI, this isn't just speculation, Filoni confirms Kenobi is mentally out of sorts while he fights Maul. And filoni specifcally cites Kenobi's "state of mind" as why Kenobi loses.

It's like Maul's "overconfidence" except, unlike Maul, it only happens under the worst of circumstances. Hence why in season 5, Kenobi maintains the advantage via the blade we see him establish in the first part of their revenge duel.

Huh? Why does it being longer make it more impressive? Kenobi was able to beat visla three times in less than a minuite. Kenobi's performance is way better than Maul's.

Actually shaken can mean many things depending on the context.

So lets see what the context here is:

"Kenobi ignites his lightsaber blade but is "too shaken from the crash". Maul snatches Kenobi in a telekentic grip and disarms him."

Irrelevant of what you think shaken means, it's clear it was "from the clash" and the "too" in context would indicate being shaken prevented him from a successful defense. Regardless of how you interpret 'shaken', it's only because of the crash, that makes Maul's "win" here something that could have only happened because Kenobi crashed.

Maul's force blast on florrum is somewhat applicable(tho its similar to other emotion-reliant showings like ventress choking anakin and kenobi), but even then, it's not at all clear Maul would have gotten to Kenobi in time to finish the job.

https://youtu.be/KaqUVn1az4w

Okay in the first fight (link above) right at the start when maul and savage first meet obi, at scene (1:38) savage solo : fairly and squarely disarmed obi and then knocked him to the ground : he (savage) could have easily gone for a kill, this scene (1:38) is not an ambush because obi sees savage as savage makes himself visible and known to obi .Scene (1:51) When obi recovers maul force grabs obis light saber as it’s on the ground and force pushes obi toward savage who hits obi to the the ground and punches him obi is knocked out clean , again savage could have went for a easy kill . At (2:15) Then when obi awakes they both push him around a bit , at (2:43) then maul force grabs obi by the face with a light saber held against obis face once again maul could have gone for the kill then , but instead maul just knocks obi wan out clean again when they come across asaj and leave obi on the ground . Obviously they don’t want to kill him here they just want to make him suffer psychologically . Obi couldn’t do anything to stop them in the above. I’m not so concerned about the above fight except maybe for savages first encounter with Kenobi in that scene which was solo where he could have gone for a easy kill, but im just pointing it out etc

https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I
I forgot to mention this as well: in fact maul knocked out Kenobi the second time around in the first fight at scene 2:35 in above link for 3 seconds , and again maul was so close to him and could have went for the kill so easily but stood there obviously he doesn’t want to kill Kenobi wants him to suffer mentally as mentioned . So he knocked out Kenobi twice In this scene so first knockout was scene 2:22 for 12 seconds and then above as mentioned.

When obi was knocked out by maul in the first fight in the top platform box you can tell he is hurt as hes recovering: his eyes aren’t fully open and still he was on the ground head down gasping for some breath like he’s winded ,maul still could have gone for a kill easily then in many ways , Kenobi couldnt wind or make maul gasp like that , also it was a very powerful kick, he kicked obi a fair distance away if the wall was close Kenobi probably would have been knocked out much longer . Obi and asaj couldn’t take down maul and savage and that’s why he said they were outmatched, hence ran and flew away in the ship to escape .

No maul wasn’t hurt at all from kenobis attacks just a stagger he recovered quicker as he couldn’t knock maul out fully . Maul knocked him out longer in the duels as mentioned . And when Kenobi attacked him it wasn’t enough to incapacitate maul . Mauls durability and damage soak is much better I reckon , he took 3 grenades from privsla and wasn’t even knocked out or incapacitated. He took sidiouses lightening which killed Vader and nearly luke. I don’t think Kenobi will be able to take that especially when he got knocked out and winded by privisla , and many other times by maul and savage in the first fight as mentioned above . It Looks like Kenobi got hurt more by mauls attacks as mentioned. Maul getting cut in half and falling from a high/big distance and surviving is a pretty good feat, hence he has a high durability and damage soak. Obi didn’t have any feats close to that.

If Obi had maul more at his mercy he should have constantly been able to knock maul out and hence , defeat , capture , and incapacitate him and get more attacks in but he couldn’t: maul did better in the end as stated as obi and Asaj flew of and ran away admitting he was outmatched. So no Kenobi didn’t have maul at his mercy more Infact quite the opposite maul picked up his rhythm and performed better later on in the fight and had Kenobi at his mercy more . As stated maul got in more attacks then Kenobi and knocked him out twice/& four times including the second fight and for much longer.

Obis Anger is no excuse for him performing badly and shouldn’t have been a hindrance at all . In fact I also Remember Filoni said that anger sort of amped obi as well in the first fight that’s why he started to swing the saber quicker. Also obi has more of an advantage over maul because maul was rusty ie he was inactive for a couple of years when he got cut in half hence that was his proper fight after 10 years he was out of practice but still fought well . Also Kenobi has more of an advantage as he has more experience, but still wasn’t enough to defeat maul in the first part .

Felloni also said in the second fight Kenobi again was amped in the second fight as soon as his other jedi or padwan adi galia got killed by savage : but still it wasn’t enough to best maul . Second fight they looked even in the duel , but maul was more powerful as he overpowered obi with his force powers and there was nothing Kenobi could do to stop it, hence maul again could have easily executed obi in that scene. Again maul didn’t want to kill Kenobi at this time and scene he just wanted him to suffer mentally as stated.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
You mean when he ambushed him?

There's one, when kenobi is crumpled in the corner. When kenobi's 'knocked out' the first time he's still looking at maul and holding his lightsaber. After oppress saves his ass three times, Maul does have the advantage against Kenobi who at this point is angrily charging Maul like a lunatic. It is worth asking, why Kenobi is angrily charging here when Maul taunting Kenobi is unable to evoke anger elsewhere....

Maul is rusty, true. Thankfully, Maul was kind enough to even the odds for us:
.https://youtu.be/KaqUVn1az4w?t=145
Thor ignored this for some reason, but I'd say it gives us a good reason for why Maul was able to taunt Kenobi into running like a lunatic. Also, lets be clear here, it wasn't a 'slight edge', it was a decisive one. And we can talk about what maul does when Kenobi's uncharacteristically tapping into his darkside, but none of that really comes into play without Oppress and Ventress. Fights are about taking out your opponent --first--.

A beat up and tortured Kenobi was able to get right up after getting kicked twice in the head, and once in the chest. Highly doubt maul's "damage soak" is going to do anything here when Maul generally gets hurt more by Kenobi's hits than vice versa.

Sure, but Kenobi had maul at his mercy more. And its important to track the content surrounding the duel. Does Kenobi ever fight like he does in the last 30 seconds of the duel? Have we ever seen Kenobi lose his cool like that without torture? After their fight in revenge, Maul is never able to land a hit on Kenobi again, and before Kenobi screams "aaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!" Maul gets decisively beat.

FYI, this isn't just speculation, Filoni confirms Kenobi is mentally out of sorts while he fights Maul. And filoni specifcally cites Kenobi's "state of mind" as why Kenobi loses.

It's like Maul's "overconfidence" except, unlike Maul, it only happens under the worst of circumstances. Hence why in season 5, Kenobi maintains the advantage via the blade we see him establish in the first part of their revenge duel.

Huh? Why does it being longer make it more impressive? Kenobi was able to beat visla three times in less than a minuite. Kenobi's performance is way better than Maul's.

Actually shaken can mean many things depending on the context.

So lets see what the context here is:

"Kenobi ignites his lightsaber blade but is "too shaken from the crash". Maul snatches Kenobi in a telekentic grip and disarms him."

Irrelevant of what you think shaken means, it's clear it was "from the clash" and the "too" in context would indicate being shaken prevented him from a successful defense. Regardless of how you interpret 'shaken', it's only because of the crash, that makes Maul's "win" here something that could have only happened because Kenobi crashed.

Maul's force blast on florrum is somewhat applicable(tho its similar to other emotion-reliant showings like ventress choking anakin and kenobi), but even then, it's not at all clear Maul would have gotten to Kenobi in time to finish the job.

I disagree the Kenobi fight was much worse against privisla Kenobi was knocked out for 6 seconds when privisla punched him especially when he was disarmed and obi had the saber in his hands made him look like a amateur . Privisla couldn’t do that to maul and he couldn’t disarm maul the only way is by shooting the saber out of his hand . Privisla couldnt wind and knock out maul even with 3 grenades. Maul took 3 grenades and recovered fast and it took Kenobi a while to recover when privisla just kicked and punched him especially when he (visla) was disarmed and obi was armed with the saber. Maul used no force powers against privisla where as obi wan did against privisla. Maul beat privsla fair and square and killed him like a pro with no force powers ,just his strength and natural abilities : hence mauls fight was much better, more natural and more superior he dodged a lot of the stuff and more stuff coming at him from privislas gadgets or arsenal etc . Plus his hand to hand combat is much better than Kenobis. Maul was disarmed and privsla had the dark saber in his hands maul Disarmed privsla easily like a pro flipping him making him look like a amateur. Maul also winded Privisla for a longer period of time. Privisla used more stuff and gadgets against maul to make it more challenging hence longer but still wasn’t enough to beat maul . Privsla didn’t get beat in 3 hits by obi he wasn’t even injured or beat up he still got up/recovered fast with no problems ,and when he got up his jet pack wasn’t even damaged at all and when maul did the same sort of attack on privisla he damaged his jetpack . Privisla made it much harder, challenging and difficult for maul as his life was on the line to fight for his position as mandalorian leader etc. Maul took more punishment from Privisla but it wasn’t enough to bring him down . But If you like the obi fight better that’s all good your opinion and choice.

With the word shaken it’s not my definition , I honestly got it from the net and I didn’t make it up . So it is relevant as it’s the proper orthodox or mainstream definition of the word and it’s not my own meaning or words etc. I saw that maul and Kenobi TK crash scene recently on a DVD but can’t find it online : so here’s what happened : After ship falls crashes etc Obi recovers and gets into a kneeling/ducking position he sees smoke and tries to make out whose in the background ie maul and savage etc , he blinks his eyes a bit (to make out whose in the smoke) and opens them widely he looks perfectly fine and fit here unscathed etc then as he sees maul out of the Smokey background he stands up confidently and says without a stammer and no weak voice “no it can’t be” igniting his light saber standing finely and confidently with no problems unscathed etc then maul(disarmed) force chokes him and Telekineticly brings him closer hoisting him with one arm grabbing him by the neck and at the same time disarming him, obi also has some jet pack on good force and strength feat there . Here once again maul could have executed obi easily. Obi couldn’t do anything to stop maul here maul overpowered him here with his force powers and strength etc.
As mentioned mainly focusing on force powers & abilities here. It seems mauls more powerful in force powers. Hence Maul > Kenobi in force powers and abilities.

^ IIRC that's really early TCW Kenobi.

But anyway Maul > Kenobi in force powers, he just has way more feats.

Force defenses are not fleshed out in canon, so it's hard to say. Maul probably takes it 6/10.