Originally posted by Galan007
Most notably, the quote from SW.com, which states he is one of the most powerful combatants in the history of the mythos:As well as this excerpt from the VD, which likens his saber skill to that of Vader and Luke:
And there are a number of other quotes that reference his ridiculous potential.
Originally posted by relentless1
no way Vader is a better duelist than Sidious I don't care what BS Disney makes up, they've already ****ed up Star Wars mainline stuff
Apparently Disney reckons Vader lost no potential at all.
So the more appropriate question is why Vader isnt on the level of The Son.
Originally posted by Darth ThorBecause The Son ain't the Chosen One. 😛
But The Son was on the same Nexus 😬
It's not like Anakin would've had a shot at containing The Son/Daughter off of Mortis. Even The Father stated that he could *only* control his children while on Mortis: "It is only here that I can control them."
Originally posted by Galan007
Because The Son ain't the Chosen One. 😛It's not like Anakin would've had a shot at containing The Son/Daughter off of Mortis. Even The Father stated that he could *only* control his children while on Mortis: "It is only here that I can control them."
Okay... But that still shows he was operating at Father level.
On Mortis, yes.
Just saying that is literally the *only* place it could have happened. Point being: Vader not ascending to the level of The Son in the mortal realm certainly isn't a knock against his power/potential, given that not even The Father himself could control his children in the mortal realm.
I get that. I wouldnt expect him to overpower both the Son and Daughter off Mortis, given like you said, even the Father couldnt.
But my original question was Why is he not on the level of The Son (the level The Son would be off Mortis)?
Remember he wasnt even consistent in his abilities on Mortis, so it wasnt simply about location. It was about full control and mastery over his powers. Something Vader clearly had a much better grasp over than Anakin.
Originally posted by Darth ThorAnswer to both: because Vader did not have a universal Force nexus to tap into. As mentioned, it seems like attaining that level of power was *only* possible on Mortis(even for The Father.)
But my original question was Why is he not on the level of The Son (the level The Son would be off Mortis)?Remember he wasnt even consistent in his abilities on Mortis, so it wasnt simply about location. It was about full control and mastery over his powers. Something Vader clearly had a much better grasp over than Anakin.
Moreover, we know the Son and Daughter were still powerful enough in the mortal realm to rip the fabric of the universe itself during their conflicts -- something NO Jedi/Sith battle has ever come remotely close to doing. Not even 'omni-Sith' Palpatine vs. 'omni-Jedi' Rey threatened reality in such a way.
Tbh, I don't know if it would have even been possible for Anakin to realize his full potential, and ascend to the level of The Ones, away from Mortis. /shrug
Originally posted by xPRIMExTo be fair, TPM is one of the weakest versions of canon Maul, and Kenobi went full rage mode which probably surprised Maul considering he'd seen nothing like that from Kenobi up to that point.
I just think Dooku trashed AOTC obi Wan pretty quickly. Maul had a harder time against a weaker obi Wan, in my opinion
The top5 list is surely referring to the characters in the prime of their technical skill, in which case I could see peak Maul being slightly above Dooku in sabers based on his brief clash with Sidious.
But like I keep saying- that doesnt mean he'd beat Dooku in a allout fight, just like Vader wouldn't beat Sidious in an allout fight.