Wait, did h1 say that Sephiroth can't teleport while being held in a Force Grip? What logic dictates that you can't shift from this dimension to another to instantly move from point a to point b? That's like saying if someone was physically strong enough to hold Sephiroth in place, he wouldn't be able to teleport because they were squeezing him.
Originally posted by KingD19
Wait, did h1 say that Sephiroth can't teleport while being held in a Force Grip? What logic dictates that you can't shift from this dimension to another to instantly move from point a to point b? That's like saying if someone was physically strong enough to hold Sephiroth in place, he wouldn't be able to teleport because they were squeezing him.
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Originally posted by Surtur
A force grip wouldn't prevent materia usage anyways.
That's true, but what I mean is anyone who can teleport from any medium wouldn't be stopped by a Force Grip. It's just telekinesis, which is psionic energy acting on matter like it's physical. It's essentially invisible limbs grabbing you. So why would a physical force be able to stop someone from defying physics and teleporting from one location to the next through another plane of existence?
Well h1 implied it so I guess it's dumb to try to answer a dumb response.
Also just watched the fight scene between Sephiroth and Cloud again in Advent Children. Sephiroth definitely is flying, and at one point defies gravity and just stands on the side of a tower while Cloud needs to jam his sword in the wall and stand on it, even though he himself is making some crazy leaps and keeping up with Seph's speed.
Originally posted by h1a8
Except we don't. He's either jumping or falling. And I'm referring to the movie, not game.
https://youtu.be/Y0KA53cKNnI?t=383
mmm
Never seen someone fall like that before.
Spoiler:
FYI, there are two different versions of the film. This is from the "Complete" version rather than the original.
Originally posted by KingD19
That's true, but what I mean is anyone who can teleport from any medium wouldn't be stopped by a Force Grip. It's just telekinesis, which is psionic energy acting on matter like it's physical. It's essentially invisible limbs grabbing you. So why would a physical force be able to stop someone from defying physics and teleporting from one location to the next through another plane of existence?Well h1 implied it so I guess it's dumb to try to answer a dumb response.
Also just watched the fight scene between Sephiroth and Cloud again in Advent Children. Sephiroth definitely is flying, and at one point defies gravity and just stands on the side of a tower while Cloud needs to jam his sword in the wall and stand on it, even though he himself is making some crazy leaps and keeping up with Seph's speed.
Originally posted by ares834
https://youtu.be/Y0KA53cKNnI?t=383mmm
Never seen someone fall like that before.
Spoiler:
FYI, there are two different versions of the film. This is from the "Complete" version rather than the original.
That's not the Sephiroth I'm talking about. Before his death.
That thing was something different (not Sephiroth at all). It had a single wing to fly. At best (if you want to use that version) then you have to answer the following question: Can that version fly with a force stronger than Sid's TK?
For those who think I'm trolling.
Why would Sephiroth win?
He would attack faster than Sid can respond?
What about Sid's precog or his ability to block laser blasts?
What about Sid's ability to hold Sephiroth in the air?
Some are using a version of Sephiroth (after his death) to prove that he could fly. If that's the case then prove his power of flight can match or exceed Sid's power of TK.
Some are saying Sephiroth can teleport at will (instead of move very fast). Please post clips of this. If that's the case then I'll agree that Sephiroth wins here.
Originally posted by h1a8
For those who think I'm trolling.
Why would Sephiroth win?
He would attack faster than Sid can respond?
What about Sid's precog or his ability to block laser blasts?What about Sid's ability to hold Sephiroth in the air?
Some are using a version of Sephiroth (after his death) to prove that he could fly. If that's the case then prove his power of flight can match or exceed Sid's power of TK.Some are saying Sephiroth can teleport at will (instead of move very fast). Please post clips of this. If that's the case then I'll agree that Sephiroth wins here.
I'm not talking about the One-Winged Angel. Watch the final fight between Cloud and Sephiroth. He's flying around and like I said at one point just hangs out on the side of a building. Cloud can't fly, which is why he jams his sword in the wall so he can stand on it.
Precog isn't unlimited, as it has failed Jedi and Sith many times. And I keep telling you this but you keep ignoring it. A blaster bolt is not, I repeat is not a laser blast. It's compressed gas converted into energy. If it was a laser, it would be a continuous beam instead of an energy bullet, and it would be a whole lot faster.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's not the Sephiroth I'm talking about. Before his death.
That thing was something different (not Sephiroth at all). It had a single wing to fly. At best (if you want to use that version) then you have to answer the following question: Can that version fly with a force stronger than Sid's TK?
It is Sephiroth. Not his original body, but him none the else.
And what other version of him are you talking about considering you keep saying film only and (as far as I'm aware) this is the only film version of him around.
Originally posted by KingD19
I'm not talking about the One-Winged Angel. Watch the final fight between Cloud and Sephiroth. He's flying around and like I said at one point just hangs out on the side of a building. Cloud can't fly, which is why he jams his sword in the wall so he can stand on it.Precog isn't unlimited, as it has failed Jedi and Sith many times. And I keep telling you this but you keep ignoring it. A blaster bolt is not, I repeat is not a laser blast. It's compressed gas converted into energy. If it was a laser, it would be a continuous beam instead of an energy bullet, and it would be a whole lot faster.
It was believed for years that the blaster bolt was intended (by Lucas) to be actual short bursts of lasers and they follow the RULE OF COOL so that the audience can see the action. In other words,Their visual speed isn't intended to be their actual speed.
Now if you have Canon proof that these are indeed not lasers and proof of their intended speeds then please post it.
Originally posted by ares834I was remembering the scene in crisis core vs Angeal. That was a movie scene in the game.
It is Sephiroth. Not his original body, but him none the else.And what other version of him are you talking about considering you keep saying film only and (as far as I'm aware) this is the only film version of him around.
Originally posted by h1a8
It was believed for years that the blaster bolt was intended (by Lucas) to be actual short bursts of lasers and they follow the RULE OF COOL so that the audience can see the action. In other words,Their visual speed isn't intended to be their actual speed.Now if you have Canon proof that these are indeed not lasers and proof of their intended speeds then please post it.
I was remembering the scene in crisis core vs Angeal. That was a movie scene in the game.
Well if we are using the Resurrected version (advent children) then again the argument is how strong is his flight power? And how fast is Sephiroth? Do we go by visual speed? Implied speed?
A blaster,[1] also called a gun,[2] was any type of ranged weapon that fired bolts of intense plasma energy, often mistaken as lasers. Operating under the same principles as laser weaponry, blasters converted energy-rich gas to a glowing particle beam that could melt through targets.[1]
The literal first sentence in the wiki states what they are. Blaster bolts are tibanna gas(gas mines are mentioned all the time) compressed down into plasma to be used as ammo and are often mistaken as lasers.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Blaster
As for how fast Sephiroth is, watch the movie. He and Cloud went from ground level to skyscraper tops in seconds. They're damn fast.
Originally posted by h1a8
Well Sephiroth weighs less than a pod and we seen Sidious hold Rey (a force user) in the air against her will helpless. Sephiroth can not fly or teleport or do anything to fight being held up in the air.
He was holding her (and Ben) iirc because he was exploiting their connection to the Force (and each other) and absorbing it.
That's not the same as standard TK, and if Sephiroth wanted he could use his own telekinesis to attack, couldn't he?
In terms of teleporting if Sheev had Sep in a force grip what type of teleporting would it be? Would Sep be dematerializing? If being strangled and mind you force grip is using the force to grip which is infinite power like the life stream it would have to be a who hit lands the first move. Sep being a powerhouse and fully one with the life stream outdoes Sheev.
Originally posted by -Pr-
He was holding her (and Ben) iirc because he was exploiting their connection to the Force (and each other) and absorbing it.That's not the same as standard TK, and if Sephiroth wanted he could use his own telekinesis to attack, couldn't he?
Where in the film did Seph had TK? I don't recall seeing that.
The movie never related the reason why Sid was able to hold Rey in the air against her will was because he was exploiting her connection to the force.
It was clear Sid was using force TK to lift her.
And I'm talking about with Snoke too (Sid was controlling Snoke as a puppet).
Originally posted by KingD19
A blaster,[1] also called a gun,[2] was any type of ranged weapon that fired bolts of intense plasma energy, often mistaken as lasers. Operating under the same principles as laser weaponry, blasters converted energy-rich gas to a glowing particle beam that could melt through targets.[1]The literal first sentence in the wiki states what they are. Blaster bolts are tibanna gas(gas mines are mentioned all the time) compressed down into plasma to be used as ammo and are often mistaken as lasers.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Blaster
As for how fast Sephiroth is, watch the movie. He and Cloud went from ground level to skyscraper tops in seconds. They're damn fast.
I don't know anywhere in the movie where that information about the blasters are given.
In Phathom Menace we get to see how fast force users really are. A couple of times the movie show them blitzing and becoming blur in real time.
Also a human can react in 0.2 second. If both crossed a skyscraper in a few seconds then that's not fast enough for a human not to be able to react (from battle distance).