Figured I'd see how massive DC fanboys would rate it, so checked out the end of Angry Joe's review(didn't want to be spoiled)
Angry Joe gave it a 8/10, other Joe 7/10 and Alex 7/10.
Which is about what they rated the original, until the fan blacklash and then they claimed their great ratings were due to being drunk at the time and preceded to drop it down a few points.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Kinda feel Synderbots shouldn't be conflated with the rest of the DC/comic/superhero fans in general. They're an insane but rare breed. Seeing their denial is weird though, especially when they undermine or dismiss the efforts of other DC series/shows/etc that were done and received better.I've honestly never seen any group with more disregard for quality in recent times, but they are joyless edgelords that the DCEU was primarily made for, so...
Oh yeah I specifically said “some” and “fanboys”
Theyre not normal dc fans. The normal ones accept DC has massively screwed up its shared cinematic universe without feeling insecure about it.
The Snyderbots are certainly weird. Cant believe HBO paid $70mill to satisfy them.
But given the decent RT score, I am glad it will somewhat help Snyder move on with his career. Better for him to leave on a slight high.
Oh yeah I specifically said “some†and “fanboysâ€Theyre not normal dc fans. The normal ones accept DC has massively screwed up its shared cinematic universe without feeling insecure about it.
The Snyderbots are certainly weird. Cant believe HBO paid $70mill to satisfy them.
But given the decent RT score, I am glad it will somewhat help Snyder move on with his career. Better for him to leave on a slight high.
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Or, you know, they just enjoy the films. There doesn't need to be some grand fanboy conspiracy behind it. I really liked MoS and thought the director's cut of BvS was pretty good (unlike the trash theatrical cut).
Anyway, I'm actually looking forward to this now rather than being morbidly curious. A lot of what I've read makes this out to be more of a fantasy epic than the more standard superhero fare, which is perfect for my sensibilities.
Originally posted by ares834
Or, you know, they just enjoy the films. There doesn't need to be some grand fanboy conspiracy behind it. I really liked MoS and thought the director's cut of BvS was pretty good (unlike the trash theatrical cut).
I dont think you get what a grand conspiracy is.
The only conspiracy was that the Snyder cut even existed. We factually know that cut was $70million and months of work away from a reality.
Also them being weird and fanboys is obviously my opinion.
Anyway I also enjoyed MOS, Watchmen and 300. So am glad for Snyder.
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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lets face it, the only reason the movement existed to get this out is because some DC fanboys needed to justify why Justice League flopped at the box office.They couldnt accept that the DCEU simply wasnt liked very much and certainly wasnt built up well.
Obviously I was being slightly hyperbolic by calling it a "grand" conspiracy. But it is a ridiculous claim when there is a far more likely answer, that being that certain people liked his films.
Originally posted by ares834
This:Obviously I was being slightly hyperbolic by calling it a "grand" conspiracy. But it is a ridiculous claim when there is a far more likely answer, that being that certain people liked his films.
Far more likely ? Thats a conspiracy!
What made these fans think this version even existed ? (Hint it didnt). The original version literally had him stated as the Director.
I am allowed to Observe the behaviour of certain groups of people and make conclusions from that you know. Doesnt make me a conspiracy theorist.
Hence my opening line “Lets face itâ€
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I dont think you get what a grand conspiracy is.The only conspiracy was that the Snyder cut even existed.
A cut did exist, but it was the early, rough, black & white, unfinished, no sFX draft that Snyder kept at his home AFTER he showed them the first draft of his early shootings.
It was also where he was pulling stills from said draft & posting them on his Twitter acct over the years to whip up those zealous Snyder fans: "Ooh, Black Suit Superman anyone?" etc, etc.
He also confirmed in an interview(I forget who was interviewing) that the Studio Execs asked him FOR IT, so they could release it - as calls for "release the Snyder Cut" grew louder & louder(they wanted to put it out AS IS, point to it, and then say "See, we TOLD you it wasn't any better than the theatrical cut", my conjecture).
He of course refused to do that... As he knew what they would do with it, I suspect. over the following years then finally 70 million for it to be "finished", here we are. I personally am glad to see it. 😱
...But again, a early B&W rough draft/cut DID exist - just not a FINISHED movie the hardcore fans erroneously believed.
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Thats not a finished cut.
Hashtag - Release the Snyder Cut - was a conspiracy that WB were hiding the true cut of the film. Then Synder himself fuelled that idea.
But that wasnt true. Whats true is that Whedon cut and finished the film that Snyder began (something no one was complaining about at the time btw).
Now they can claim this version is the true JL film which would have made over a Billion at the box office. Ignoring that not many people turned up to the original version to see how good or bad it was. They just were not interested in seeing a Justice League after BvS, and 2 solo films. And of course the poor WOM didnt help its box office legs either.
I guess I was confusing what you were saying about there being no finished cut with "there was NO cut at all"... Cause there definitely was a different cut/vision/tone than what Whedon hacked together from that rough cut.
...And the Justice League’s cinematographer Fabian Wagner himself said, "Joss threw out 90% of Zack Snyder’s footage when he began".
MAJOR contribution to that poor WOM of the theatrical cut.
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Originally posted by CoolBlackKnight
I guess I was confusing what you were saying about there being no finished cut with "there was NO cut at all"... Cause there definitely was a different cut/vision/tone than what Whedon hacked together from that rough cut....And the Justice League’s cinematographer Fabian Wagner himself said, "Joss threw out 90% of Zack Snyder’s footage when he began".
MAJOR contribution to that poor WOM of the theatrical cut.
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I mean it was just a collection of scenes. It wasnt a cut of a film, (no editing, no music, no completed special effects). I dont think thats what anyone wanted.
What people wanted here was the Directors cut, which is always a proper cut.
In terms of throwing Snyder scenes out, he filmed 4 hours, which he knew himself hed have to throw out a whole ton of that.
As for the Whedon version, Snyder was still down as director which the Guild of Directors decide on, ergo most of it was still Snyders version.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I mean it was just a collection of scenes. It wasnt a cut of a film, (no editing, no music, no completed special effects). I dont think thats what anyone wanted.What people wanted here was the Directors cut, which is always a proper cut.
In terms of throwing Snyder scenes out, he filmed 4 hours, which he knew himself hed have to throw out a whole ton of that.
As for the Whedon version, Snyder was still down as director which the Guild of Directors decide on, ergo most of it was still Snyders version.
Gotcha, we're on the same page about it.
WB wanted those collection of scenes for posterior purposes(CYA/blame shifting/under the bus), of that, I DO believe. They knew what they released theatrically was trash, but they wanted that "Avengers formula" magic.
As far as the Guild of Directors, that formality means nothing to the masses. The theatrical will forever be known as the "inferior Whedon cut" regardless...
That's on him.
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Originally posted by CoolBlackKnight
As far as the Guild of Directors, that formality means nothing to the masses. The theatrical will forever be known as the "inferior Whedon cut" regardless...That's on him.
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I just meant that what we got in Theatres was still mostly Snyder's stuff. Otherwise the Guild wouldn't have declared Snyder as the Director.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I enjoyed it. It's good. Very violent compared to the MCU, more adult themes too. At times a bit corny, but, it's DC.
Better than BvS or MOS ? I assume it's better than Theatrical JL.
Yeah I've heard it's R Rated, so this version never would have made it to the big screen.
Originally posted by Darth ThorI thought much better
I just meant that what we got in Theatres was still mostly Snyder's stuff. Otherwise the Guild wouldn't have declared Snyder as the Director.Better than BvS or MOS ? I assume it's better than Theatrical JL.
Yeah I've heard it's R Rated, so this version never would have made it to the big screen.
Well I watched it.
The additional stuff is mostly disjointed crap with dialogue that sounds like it's written by 10 year old boys.
The extra bits in the fight under Gotham Harbour and the restructured final fight at the nuclear power plant make even less sense than they did and work even less well than before. The added bit for Flash when he
Spoiler:was hilariously bad.
runs faster than light to reverse time because the mother boxes caused the unity before they could stop it and began destroying earth
They improved on Cyborg (not a difficult task given how terrible he was) and I liked the visions the mother box gives him when they're about to reawaken Supes.
I also really liked Bruce Wayne's nightmare and think they should go down that route. Reminded me of the apocalyptic future in Days of Future Past.
Some of the expanded bits improved the story and tone (like Wayne looking for Aquaman) and some were totally pointless and looked worse than they did before (the fight in the mother box room on Themyscira)
In some cases it's like they had different ways they had written for how character's personalities were to go and just threw them all in regardless of whether they were contradictory. Like Cyborg's father seems like a loving father one minute and like he's dismissive and goading Cyborg into action the next.
The Martian Manhunter thing is dumb as shit.
The expanded battle involving the lanterns and the old gods in the past makes Darkseid look weak as shit.
Overall its not really an improvement. Some bits are better and some are worse.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Well I watched it.The additional stuff is mostly disjointed crap with dialogue that sounds like it's written by 10 year old boys.
The extra bits in the fight under Gotham Harbour and the restructured final fight at the nuclear power plant make even less sense than they did and work even less well than before. The added bit for Flash when he
Spoiler:was hilariously bad.
runs faster than light to reverse time because the mother boxes caused the unity before they could stop it and began destroying earthThey improved on Cyborg (not a difficult task given how terrible he was) and I liked the visions the mother box gives him when they're about to reawaken Supes.
I also really liked Bruce Wayne's nightmare and think they should go down that route. Reminded me of the apocalyptic future in Days of Future Past.
Some of the expanded bits improved the story and tone (like Wayne looking for Aquaman) and some were totally pointless and looked worse than they did before (the fight in the mother box room on Themyscira)
In some cases it's like they had different ways they had written for how character's personalities were to go and just threw them all in regardless of whether they were contradictory. Like Cyborg's father seems like a loving father one minute and like he's dismissive and goading Cyborg into action the next.
The Martian Manhunter thing is dumb as shit.
The expanded battle involving the lanterns and the old gods in the past makes Darkseid look weak as shit.
Overall its not really an improvement. Some bits are better and some are worse.
how much did marvel studio pay you to write that crap