Zack Snyder's Justice League

Their issue has been indecisiveness and interference.

Some people clearly wanted a dark, serious tone to the movies and some people clearly wanted to be, quite frankly, more like the Marvel movies.

The compromise didn't work.

Purely from a tonal perspective this is a big improvement on the original cut. They've gotten rid of almost all the failed humour although they added other bits that didn't work. The more serious tone serves it much better. They've also somewhat learned that you can have a dark tone, serious movie without every single character being miserable and depressed like in MoS and BvS. Which is good.

Visually some parts look absolutely spectacular and other parts don't. Snyder has always had an ability to pick individually striking shots that are either directly lifted from or inspired by single comic book frames. The DC films excell at that. Zod on his knees in the ruins of Metropolis, The theme park in Harley Quinn, the bat signal standoff in BvS.

It's telling that with both BvS and Justice League that a later released re-edit has increased both critics and audiences scores. If that doesn't tell the executives to just butt out and leave the creative decisions to the creative teams then I don't know what will.

Originally posted by Inhuman
That's the thing. Hes not going to move on. The Snyder cut hints at more sequels. So his fans are going to do the same thing that they did with Snyder cut, b1tch and moan and wont stop until WB gives in and he makes more sequels. Especially that his wife is one of the suits at WB.

I doubt it given its not canon. They cant just have 2 alternate DCEUs going on. And a lot of the actors in his JL wont be coming back either.

And Hes said himself hes not coming back for more DC films. So I think WB have made that clear to him.

I honestly dont think the Snyder fans in question are actual Snyder film fans. Seems to me They are (mostly) butt hurt Dc fans who cant handle Justice League was a failure.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0

It's telling that with both BvS and Justice League that a later released re-edit has increased both critics and audiences scores. If that doesn't tell the executives to just butt out and leave the creative decisions to the creative teams then I don't know what will.

Cant say that given Snyders had so much time and money to finish this. Plus the hindsight of what critics and audiences didnt like about the original cut.

And theres just no way this 4 hour R rated Justice League film was gonna get released in Cinemas. Just wouldnt happen.

The extended editions do make more sense though. But the extra hours hardly turn them into masterpieces. At this point I just dont think the DCEU will ever get their Avengers moment in cinematic history.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Cant say that given Snyders had so much time and money to finish this. Plus the hindsight of what critics and audiences didnt like about the original cut.

And theres just no way this 4 hour R rated Justice League film was gonna get released in Cinemas. Just wouldnt happen.

The extended editions do make more sense though. But the extra hours hardly turn them into masterpieces. At this point I just dont think the DCEU will ever get their Avengers moment in cinematic history.

Reacting to audience criticism isn't exactly something they've done well. That's how MoS and BvS went from doom and gloom to Justice League having dumb, out of place crappy humour.

They don't react well to praise either like taking the only liked character from Suicide Squad and ruining their solo movie or taking the best, most liked and most successful movie of the series, Wonder Woman, and having every executive at WB jump in to micro manage the sequel and f**k it up royally.

I don't think length is an issue if quality is there.

The weird thing about this is it doesn't have to be nearly 4 hours. Some of the added time is because they show stuff in slo mo that doesn't even benefit from it. I get that the Superman death yell pulsing out across the planet serves a purpose but the Themyscira fight just looks dumb. There's a bit when Hippolita gets the mother box and she slow motion runs in a little half circle and looks like she's away to bang into the wall before the camera cuts to above her as she runs up the wall before flipping off it and stabbing some shitty cannon fodder parademon. And then as she's running out and the Amazon warriors are knocking the wooden supports away she turns back twice to fight off enemies. All in slo-mo.

Not to mention that huge chunks of it wouldn't have even been necessary if they'd built up to Justice League by introducing characters in origin movies. Particularly Cyborg who has loads of back story exposition compared to Flash. In fact Cyborg is the biggest surprise in this. He goes from a pointless bit part with flat acting to having an almost fully fleshed out back story. If they'd taken their time and given him a solo movie then minimising his part in JL wouldn't have been a problem. Similar to Black Panther having almost no screen time in Endgame.

They didn't give the same time to Flash because it would have meant bringing back in the humour that didn't work in the original cut. So out of the 2 characters with no solo movie one of them gets loads of back story and the other gets almost nothing.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I doubt it given its not canon. They cant just have 2 alternate DCEUs going on. And a lot of the actors in his JL wont be coming back either.

And Hes said himself hes not coming back for more DC films. So I think WB have made that clear to him.

I honestly dont think the Snyder fans in question are actual Snyder film fans. Seems to me They are (mostly) butt hurt Dc fans who cant handle Justice League was a failure.

Im torn though, I kind of want to see the arc of Bruce pounding his seed into Lois , and for Clark having to raise his Bruce's kid. "My wife's son , cuck arc.

The biggest DC villains are WB executives.

And

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the source material

Spoiler:
Darkseid started invasion at least 5000 years ago. I think he probably didn't think invade Krypton was a good idea.

I completely forgot how overly mellow dramatic, and long winded Zack Snyder was.

Also why

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didn't Maritain Manhunter help them in the fight?

yea this was 4 hours i can not get back.. the film is 2 and 1/2 hours too long. lots of exposition which is not needed. all he did was basically add in extended scenes and as well as deleted scenes. all the other haphazard shit was thrown it.. way too much cringey dialogue. steppenwolf still sucked. darkseid was a waste of time.. eisenlex jeez was not needed.. amber turd should've been murdered off. jussy jr needs to stop bedding snyder and retake acting lessons.

pretty much, it was a better movie but not needed to be that long.

Damn good movie.

Ok, so I watched The Snyder Cut...

TLDR: It is better than the theatrical cut, yes.

Yes, the CGI is better in almost every instance.
Yes, the action scenes are improved, some in more places than others.
Yes, Cyborg is fleshed out a fair bit more, and actually feels like a character with an arc.
Yes, the tone is more coherent both throughout this movie, and with Snyder's earlier movies.

The art style is still largely shite. Steppenwolf, while better than before, is still iffy.

Spoiler:
Darkseid

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Martian Manhunter

As much as it's nice to feel vindicated for my predictions about what Snyder was going to do with this, it's sad to see that his need to be as edgy as ****ing possible means that he can't get out of his own damn way. There are moments in the movie that approach brilliance, at least in terms of me thinking "yes, that's exactly how x should be done in a dc movie", but all they are, are moments, bogged down by a man who, while being absolutely fantastic at big action set pieces, is not a good storyteller.

People will say that it's better than the theatrical cut. But it's not because (or not just because) Snyder's vision is this wonderful, vastly superior creature. He had 4 hours to tell a story. 4. This ****ing thing was longer than Return of the King, and had just as many endings.

In the end, I liken it to a house built on a bad foundation. You can rebuild the house as many times as you like, but when the foundation itself is rotten (and by the foundation I mean most of the characters, both hero and villain), then you're never going to build that wonderful palace you've always dreamt of.

I'll be generous and give it a 6, I guess.

I enjoyed it.

It's not perfect, and that's ok(and I can nit pick ANY movie to death; be it Marvel, DC or whoever, if I so chose). The overall good plus in tone with MoS, BvS Ultimate cut and now this, outweighs the meh.

Glad Snyder was able to complete this, and get that Joss Whedon's version out my damn sight.

8/10

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8.5/10 for me.

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I'm not sure WHY did Zack Snyder think let the antagonist get beat up in the beginning of the movie was a good idea at all. He did it in MoS with Zod and now Darkseid again?

He was obviously channeling LotR there, it was pretty much a blatant riff on the LotR prologue. Anyway, not only was this a younger Darkseid before he took the throne (and presumably the Omega effect considering he did not use it), but he was taking on a proto-JL that included three bonafide Gods.

6/10 It was better than the theatrical release, but still nothing to write home about.

I really liked the bit when they found out where Steppenwolf's base was because after he'd went back to his base and the JL didn't know where his base was and they had to search for his base cos he was hiding in his base and they used a satellite to look for his base after he took the last mother box back to his base and at the base there was a dome and to take out the dome at the base they had to attack the base's dome at the dome's base so they could attack the base.