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Originally posted by roughrider
None of this changes the fact that the DCEU has been in a holding pattern since the critical and commercial failure of this movie, and DC & Warners have been in some confusion about what to do next. They've already gotten rid of their older Batman and are replacing with with a Batman apparently from a different Earth. Are they eventually going to merge Earth's 1 & 2 together in a Crisis type event to get the right combination at last?Justice League (as released by Joss Whedon) was a lumbering Frankenstein of muddled mediocrity, but let's not get revisionist about Zack Snyder and his history. Man Of Steel comes out in 2013 and gets polarizing reactions. I wouldn't have picked Snyder as director, but what I liked is how he was a director for hire and Christopher Nolan kept him on a tight leash.
Batman v. Superman comes out in early 2016, Nolan has moved on, and Snyder is doing whatever he wants. The reaction is way worse, and the film under performs relative to expectations. Snyder is already preparing to shoot Justice League by next month, and many fans are screaming to get him replaced before it's too late. DC & Warners decide it's already too late and move forward with him, but launch a pr campaign - Ben Affleck has also become Executive Producer and will supervise, they are going for a hopeful message with this one (they promise!)
Meanwhile, Suicide Squad comes out late that summer and is the worst DCEU film yet. People who have defended Zack Snyder to date as an overseer of the DCEU - like Grace Randolph - start to abandon him. Justice League increasing is giving everyone that sinking feeling.
Spring of 2017 - the film is in post production & Zack Snyder is off the project at last. The official story was he and wife need to deal with their daughter's suicide, but it's later revealed DC & Warners used this reason to get him off the movie because (surprise!) - no change had happened behind the scenes regarding a hopeful message, he had made the same kind of film he always makes. The studio sensed disaster, but then they made their biggest mistake yet - they didn't delay the movie. Because executives at Warners wouldn't get their bonuses from the upcoming merger with AT & T if the film didn't come out in 2017. So their attempt to save the movie helped doom it by forcing Joss Whedon into a mere six months of reshoots and post production.
So nobody won in this story. But let's remember how Zack Snyder was on the wrong track the whole time (and apparently enabled by Geoff Johns, who would quit - or forcibly made to resign - as a production executive for DC films going forward.) Do people remember when he said he thought they were building up to the Injustice universe? Or his idea about making Clark and Bruce's Martha the same woman? 🙄
Yeah, good post.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Link?Just because this TV show is not gonna be a part of it, doesn't mean they cancelled the whole shared universe.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah, would need a source on that too.What roughrider said was completely spot on.
Tsujihara said it in 2019 iirc.
Quick google brings up this: https://www.indiewire.com/2019/02/warner-bros-pulls-back-dceu-no-shared-universe-1202047994/
I'm not saying there aren't films that aren't technically in the same universe anymore, but they've obviously stopped trying to make a big, MCU-style cinematic universe. A cinematic multiverse, sure, but that's a different beast.
Then there's that Flashpoint bollocks.
The upshot is, the shared universe exists but we are pulling back and retrying several other projects until we know what we're doing. 🙄
The failure of Justice League is the biggest blow to the expanded universe since Green Lantern flopped in 2011 (and that hasn't gotten off the mat yet, due to Ryan Reynolds making fun of it in every Deadpool movie.)If it managed to be profitable, the story could be different and we would be seeing some different films coming.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Tsujihara said it in 2019 iirc.Quick google brings up this: https://www.indiewire.com/2019/02/warner-bros-pulls-back-dceu-no-shared-universe-1202047994/
I'm not saying there aren't films that aren't technically in the same universe anymore, but they've obviously stopped trying to make a big, MCU-style cinematic universe. A cinematic multiverse, sure, but that's a different beast.
Then there's that Flashpoint bollocks.
why would you believe a sexual predator/rapist in tsujihara? besides he shouldn't be trusted anyway since he just wanted his christmas bonus check
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Tsujihara is clueless.I want to hear it from someone who actually worked on any of those films.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
why would you believe a sexual predator/rapist in tsujihara? besides he shouldn't be trusted anyway since he just wanted his christmas bonus check
He was the ceo of WB at the time. And since then, have we seen anything to make us believe we're getting a shared MCU-style build-up to something?
Superman is floundering. Batman got retconned. Flash is too busy assaulting women. Cyborg... I don't even know what to say to that.
I mean, if at the Fandome event they announce some big initiative, great. But I'm not going to get my hopes up that WB has seen the light and is trying to make a new actual, proper shared universe with all these characters interacting.
Originally posted by -Pr-
He was the ceo of WB at the time. And since then, have we seen anything to make us believe we're getting a shared MCU-style build-up to something?Superman is floundering. Batman got retconned. Flash is too busy assaulting women. Cyborg... I don't even know what to say to that.
I mean, if at the Fandome event they announce some big initiative, great. But I'm not going to get my hopes up that WB has seen the light and is trying to make a new actual, proper shared universe with all these characters interacting.
no we haven't. however rumors are suggesting that the rock is trying to rebuild the dceu.