Originally posted by Bashar Teg
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Found it:
Originally posted by PVS
regardless of the disclaimer over the signature line, we
most of us know that being pulled over is a very nerve racking experience.
even if the cop is polite and easygoing, it still sucks and makes people very nervous. nervous enough to not calmly sit and read the ticket in front of the cop to make sure that they werent signing away their right to challenge the ticket.just look at the scan.
it clearly says "the UNDERSIGNED certifies and says that in the state of washington---did operate the following vehicle/motor vehicle on a public highway and---DID THEN AND THERE COMMIT EACH OF THE FOLLOWING OFFENCES."
i've signed so many forms in my lifetime. in EACH and EVERY form there is a seperate signature page, where the header reads something like "i, the undersigned...." undersigned means just that. UNDERsigned. when that word is placed on a contract, it must be on the same page as the signature line.
unless anyone in here has ever signed a form or contract where they saw an 'undersigned' agreement on a seperate page than the signature line? dont think so :/
and whats more screwed up is the guilty plea signature line is on the BACK.
it seems purposely misleading and i find that very disturbing.
the solution would have been as simple as placing the agreement signature on the BACK of the frikin ticket. so why wont they do it? why is it that upon viewing the ticket for like 2 minutes anyone can see the problem and come up with the solution with zero tax payer salary, and these assh0les cant figure that out?
i would have questioned it as well. goddamn right.
Links don't work anymore. So we just have to go by your ".pdf review" as evidence. Since everyone could have called you a liar if you were lying about that doc, we can only assume that the .pdf you linked to the standard citation form was correct.
And it is illegal to force people, at the point of the traffic stop, to admit guilt. You get a court date to argue your case. It's called "due process" and part of your right to a speedy trail (pun intended).
Because Impediment said back to the thread topic, how this relates to the OP is black people being abused by police. George died. Just like this lady could have. If I was a member back when that thread got posted, I would have pointed out that tasers are 'less lethal' options. She was tased for not complying with police orders. If you do not sign tickets, you go to jail to await your speedy trial. The tickets are not supposed to be an admission of guilt, only that you acknowledge receipt and/or understand what you've been cited to show up on your court date to argue it (or plead guilty and pay the fine).
Also, PVS, you were a much more pleasant person back then. 😐
