The death of George Floyd/Chauvin guilty

Originally posted by truejedi
What would you have them to do, other than toss money to a charity, as you call it? They peacefully protest, and give money to charity. Isn't that exactly what you want today's protestors to do? Beyond protest and give money to the cause, what is there to be done? Please share, because all of America is looking for a solution right now.

Protesting and rioting don't work.

Money and buying off politicians works. That's how this all works.

It took Michael Bell over 10 years to get the laws changed when his son was wrongfully killed and the police investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty.

What did Mr. Bell do during those 10 years? Money. So much of it. So much damn money. He lobbied the shit out of the government. Eventually, his bill got passed and now an independent body must investigate police killings in his state.

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This is how you make change in America. It's the only way, really. Not until we get the anti-corruption act passed.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
that was funny actually, and very accurate 👆

Good. I did it just for you and Surt.

Is that your way of asking me to drop the topic of surt's disgusting racist rant, which is still racist despite all previous semantics wanking? I'll allow it...for now

Originally posted by Silent Master
Community outreach, things that require them to put in time and effort, rather than just throwing a very very very tiny fraction of their net worth at it.

I mean, not to spend the afternoon talking about kaepernick, but my very first google search on his volunteering revealed pages of separate incidents.. He's a solid guy, and he has continued to spread his message and donate as well. I think attacking him is kinda proving my point that people don't care how black people protest, they just want them to stop.

In this case: you have painted the following requirements for his protest to be taken seriously: 1. Outside the public eye (not on gameday) 2. Must donate (because all rich people can and it means nothing) 3. Must volunteer (he has)

What other requirements does he need to fulfill your view of what an effective acceptable protest should look like? Just curious.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Is that your way of asking me to drop the topic of surt's disgusting racist rant, which is still racist despite all previous semantics wanking? I'll allow it...for now

No, but Surtur has yet to provide any good reasoning for his anti-white racism.

If you want to keep quoting Surt and yelling at him, go ahead. I've said what I wanted to about his racism. If he pushes for those racists policies, anymore, I'll point out the disparate impact on white people it has, over and over, until he admits he's racist against white people.

Well a dude can throw money at a charity without kneeling and it's not like they were kneeling while holding up signs saying "donate to this charity" so you can't even say this was about getting others to also donate...what did they do with the attention they garnered?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I had no idea! Here's a late well wishes: Eid Mubarak!

Man, I really don't want to make it seem like I'm arguing with you about this.

Don't take this the wrong way.

But in Christianity, all sin is an abomination before God.

James 2:15

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Okay ours is different in terms of sin.

Its not my religion so not for me to argue about. So dont worry about that, but we believe in Jesus so I guess I just naturally will defend to whatever it is extent I can, but generally just enjoy conversing on the topic.

But basically we have that principle as well like committing adultery with your eyes if you gaze at a woman and adultery with the nose if you smell one (probably not worded that right lol). But still its pretty clear thats not proper adultery, just a warning not to go near aldutery and that those are the signs we are approaching it.

Thanks for the Eid Mubarak man!

Originally posted by truejedi
In this case: you have painted the following requirements for his protest to be taken seriously: 1. Outside the public eye (not on gameday) 2. Must donate (because all rich people can and it means nothing) 3. Must volunteer (he has)

What other requirements does he need to fulfill your view of what an effective acceptable protest should look like? Just curious.

In reality, 1 is not a requirement, only 2 is a requirement. Sometimes, 1 can help your cause get more funding. But 2 is where it is all at...that's literally how anything gets changed in the modern US.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Protesting and rioting don't work.

Money and buying off politicians works. That's how this all works.

It took Michael Bell over 10 years to get the laws changed when his son was wrongfully killed and the police investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty.

What did Mr. Bell do during those 10 years? Money. So much of it. So much damn money. He lobbied the shit out of the government. Eventually, his bill got passed and now an independent body must investigate police killings in his state.

YouTube video

This is how you make change in America. It's the only way, really. Not until we get the anti-corruption act passed.

And honestly? THAT is almost a good enough reason for violent rebellion, if the law doesnt work for you or protect you, and you don't have the money to change the laws. Now it's a matter of survival, and thats why rebellions start. We have to hope those with the power realize they can only keep it by giving in before we see the country literally torn apart by one of these incidents.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay ours is different in terms of sin.

Its not my religion so not for me to argue about. But we have that principle as well if committing aldutery with your eyes if you gaze at a woman and adultery with the nose if you smell one (probably not worded that right lol). But still its pretty clear thats not proper adultery, just a warning not to go near aldutery and that those are the signs we are approaching it.

Thanks for the Eid Mubarak man!

Makes sense.

Question about that.

Would it be a sin to look upon an unmarried woman, in lust, if you were not married as well? There's no adultery, there.

Okay, another: is it a sin if you fap to unmarried fictional characters?

Lewd and perverted drawings have existed for thousands of years so they knew about this stuff back in the day, too.

Oh and let us discuss every single sad soul who only started kneeling after Trump weighed in: sad, right? I mean, if they truly cared they would have knelt before and not just to dig at Trump.

Sad souls jumping on the kneel train no doubt, correctamundo?!

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, but Surtur has yet to provide any good reasoning for his anti-white racism.

If you want to keep quoting Surt and yelling at him, go ahead. I've said what I wanted to about his racism. If he pushes for those racists policies, anymore, I'll point out the disparate impact on white people it has, over and over, until he admits he's racist against white people.

Being completely disingenuous and attempting to explain-away an obviously racist rant (gaslighting) via semantics loophole is fooling nobody. you understand this, right? literally no minds were changed. none.

Originally posted by Surtur
Oh and let us discuss every single sad soul who only started kneeling after Trump weighed in: sad, right? I mean, if they truly cared they would have knelt before and not just to dig at Trump.

Sad souls jumping on the kneel train no doubt, correctamundo?!

Kaepernick was kneeling long before Trump said he should be fired for it.

Originally posted by truejedi
Kaepernick was kneeling long before Trump said he should be fired for it.

I didn't mean Kap I meant every single sad soul who only knelt after Trump opened his mouth.

Sad opportunists who aren't genuine and just wanna flip off trump, right?

Originally posted by truejedi
I mean, not to spend the afternoon talking about kaepernick, but my very first google search on his volunteering revealed pages of separate incidents.. He's a solid guy, and he has continued to spread his message and donate as well. I think attacking him is kinda proving my point that people don't care how black people protest, they just want them to stop.

In this case: you have painted the following requirements for his protest to be taken seriously: 1. Outside the public eye (not on gameday) 2. Must donate (because all rich people can and it means nothing) 3. Must volunteer (he has)

What other requirements does he need to fulfill your view of what an effective acceptable protest should look like? Just curious.

I'm not attacking him, I said at the time that he had the right to protest.

Originally posted by truejedi
And honestly? THAT is almost a good enough reason for violent rebellion, if the law doesnt work for you or protect you, and you don't have the money to change the laws. Now it's a matter of survival, and thats why rebellions start. We have to hope those with the power realize they can only keep it by giving in before we see the country literally torn apart by one of these incidents.

You'e not wrong. It's warfare, not looting or destroying your neighbors property, that the second amendment was created for. It was created so we could have an armed army when needed and so the people could murder the shit out of their tyrannical government if they ever got to that point.

To make it more clear, the Boston Tea Party only targeted the British Tea, none of the other goods. The lock they busted to get to the tea was compensated for to the boat owner (the lock didn't belong to the Bristh Government) and when one of the Tea Partiers tried to loot something, he was sharply admonished. Not a single local business was looted or destroyed as that makes no sense and is utterly asinine.

Some of these looters are idiots/morons. They should only be targeting the government and the police.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well a dude can throw money at a charity without kneeling and it's not like they were kneeling while holding up signs saying "donate to this charity" so you can't even say this was about getting others to also donate...what did they do with the attention they garnered?

You might have missed this btw.

Originally posted by truejedi
Kaepernick was kneeling long before Trump said he should be fired for it.

good point. that means it will be ignored

Originally posted by Surtur
Well a dude can throw money at a charity without kneeling and it's not like they were kneeling while holding up signs saying "donate to this charity" so you can't even say this was about getting others to also donate...what did they do with the attention they garnered?

What do you even think a protest is? What did they DO? They protested with a higher profile position than the average man on the street. Did they stop their careers to become politicians? No of course not, that's ridiculous. Your question isnt even on the subject of what an acceptable protest is at this point.