Originally posted by Surtur
If I was pro Biden I'd be worried about the debates.Not even saying Trump is great at it, but damn Joe take some ginkgo biloba.
I'm not worried at all, going to wait and see what actually happens before I decide who's shitting themselves.
You've literally called Trump great...
Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough, that was on the premise he wins one. Though I still think Trump despite having all the advantages, is still more vulnerable than an incumbent should be.
during a national disaster, any other incumbent would have had this election locked in before it began. but not trump 😂
Originally posted by Surtur
If I was pro Biden I'd be worried about the debates.Not even saying Trump is great at it, but damn Joe take some ginkgo biloba.
If there are debates Biden will do really poorly.
That said I don’t think debates matter much. Trump looked like a retard who could barely form a coherent sentence during the 2016 debates and still won. Same could happen with Biden.
Like many issues in the US this also is split more or less along party lines. Democrats tend to believe there was a conspiracy, and especially that there was one that was designed to interfere with the investigation, while Republicans tend to believe it was all made up and Trump and his team were completely exonerated.
There just isn't very much of a shared political reality in the United States at this point, almost everything has turned partisan.
Originally posted by Artol
Like many issues in the US this also is split more or less along party lines. Democrats tend to believe there was a conspiracy, and especially that there was one that was designed to interfere with the investigation, while Republicans tend to believe it was all made up and Trump and his team were completely exonerated.There just isn't very much of a shared political reality in the United States at this point, almost everything has turned partisan.
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Originally posted by BrolyBlackNo, that's not what Muller said. He said it wasn't proven and Trump wasn't vindicated.
The truth came out via Robert Muellee, the House Intel Committe, the Senate Intel Committe, and all of Obama’s people.There was no Russian conspiracy
Zero, never happened, nothing, nine,
Mueller’s report explicitly makes no determination on “collusion,” as “Collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law.” More importantly, the report does not “conclude” that there was no criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russian government. Rather, Mueller’s investigation “did not establish” sufficient evidence to support a criminal charge of such a conspiracy. This wording is significant. In many places in his report, Mueller writes that his team “did not find evidence” to support a given allegation or suspicion. But he does not use that phrase to describe his office’s findings on the Trump campaign’s alleged collaboration with Russia’s criminal hacking operation — because his office did find some evidence to support that claim, just not sufficiently dispositive evidence to support prosecution.
Just read that Trump got one of his tweets deleted for promoting violence.
It was the retweet he did of the anti-Dem video that had something in it that said "the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat."
That's similar to the meme that a 16 year old posted on Instagram that got his visited by the FBI. If we are raiding 16 year olds for this exact content, why doesn't the PotUS get raided for literally the same thing? The best thing that could happen to Trump is his twitter account is suspended.
Seriously, how much free time do Presidents have?
Someone pulling 90 hour work weeks like a high level CEO probably wouldn't tweet like this, because they'd have other things on their mind and be too wiped out by the end of the day. What is Trumps average day like? His work week, if yiu will?
I mean, the jobs said to be the hardest on earth, yet he still finds the time and energy to rant?
Reminds me of Jesse Ventura as Governor having time to write and sell a book, and commentate for the XFL.
Makes these positions look like a complete scam.
Originally posted by cdtm
Seriously, how much free time do Presidents have?Someone pulling 90 hour work weeks like a high level CEO probably wouldn't tweet like this, because they'd have other things on their mind and be too wiped out by the end of the day. What is Trumps average day like? His work week, if yiu will?
I mean, the jobs said to be the hardest on earth, yet he still finds the time and energy to rant?
Reminds me of Jesse Ventura as Governor having time to write and sell a book, and commentate for the XFL.
Makes these positions look like a complete scam.
On your flight, from place to place, you could have up to multiple hours during the day to tweet and meet with your internal staff. This is where I think most of his thinking about tweeting is done.
Originally posted by cdtm
Seriously, how much free time do Presidents have?Someone pulling 90 hour work weeks like a high level CEO probably wouldn't tweet like this, because they'd have other things on their mind and be too wiped out by the end of the day. What is Trumps average day like? His work week, if yiu will?
I mean, the jobs said to be the hardest on earth, yet he still finds the time and energy to rant?
Reminds me of Jesse Ventura as Governor having time to write and sell a book, and commentate for the XFL.
Makes these positions look like a complete scam.
Well, considering all the time Obama wasted constantly playing golf, taking a few minutes to tweet something doesn't seem like nearly as much time wasted in. comparison.
In fact, it's not time wasted at all, imo, as that is the only effective way he can talk to the public w/out the media twisting what he says.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaedurwank
Well, considering all the time Obama wasted constantly playing golf, taking a few minutes to tweet something doesn't seem like nearly as much time wasted in. comparison.In fact, it's not time wasted at all, imo, as that is the only effective way he can talk to the public w/out the media twisting what he says.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, you are arguing about this topic, because you are conflating confirming or disconfirming whether a statement is factual with opining about that statement. It is not.
Incorrect.
1. Predictions, like Trump made, are not fact-checkable in the way that Twitter tried to demonstrate. They can provide opinions but calling it a fact check is dishonest.
2. They used CNN and Washington Post as one of their fact-checker sources which is among the most antagonistic anti-Trump sources in existence. A bias that has clear implications in this entire mess.
3. Censoring and making yourself a publisher:
a. Twitter ceases to be a content provider under section 230 of the Communications and Decency Act if they wish to editorialize content which specifically and directly applies to tweets made by the president where they try to dishonestly "fact check" a prediction. By definition, this makes them a publisher and they now fall under the publisher regulations and that makes them lose their Section 230 protections under CDA. Because they've done this, they have indicated that they exercised editorial control over the content published on their platform which makes them liable for the content published. This was specifically explored in the case Stratton Oakmont, Inc. v. Prodigy Services Co.
https://h2o.law.harvard.edu/cases/4540
b. Twitter's move with this is basically Twitter deciding when they can censor the government. This gets into political peen-waiving that you NEVER want to get into with the federal government when they have the power to regulate you.
c. Twitter does not have the resources or man-power to start filtering content across the board. This opens them up for further liabilities if they start trying to fact check and censor content. In court and under case-law, they must demonstrate that they made a reasonable due care effort to clean up content on their platform. That includes AI auto-filtering and tagging based on keywords. But that doesn't even come close to being good enough. If they start censoring the PotUS' content, this opens them up to a lot of litigation. Any lawyer who works in Tort and is not a complete idiot would be readily aware of this and the implications of the CompuServe case law that applies to Section 230.
4. Editorializing is "to express a personal opinion, especially when you should be giving a report of the facts only."
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/editorialize
What Twitter has done is quite specifically editorializing especially when they label their content as "get the facts about (xyz)", it dishonestly represents future predictions about mail in ballots by editorializing content and not actually presenting facts.
28 million missing ballots in the last four elections, from 2012 to 2018. And what is feared the most is ballot harvesting of which there is a recent example of a GOP operative performing such fraud:
LA County is to remove 1.5 million registered voters out of the 11 million registered from their records after a lawsuit was brought up by Judicial Watch.
And there are chilling cases of mail in ballots addressed to people that no longer live at certain addresses or even to people who are not registered to vote (80 ballots just sitting on a mail box and a ballot sent to an illegal alien):
I do believe in voting options. But to pretend mail-in ballot fraud of any kind is not rampant enough to change elections is a flat lie:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf
There are measures that can be taken to ensure mail-in-ballot voter fraud is kept at a minimum. We should use those obvious measures and make it federally regulated.
Further reading on the CDA:
https://www.eff.org/issues/cda230
Yeah, I was thinking about the "platform vs publisher" angle, and whether they're opening themselves up to a duty they can't possibly meet.
Put another way, were they in danger of being held liable for Trumps tweets? If the answer is "No", then if your butt is already covered by doing nothing, the last thing you want to do is take an action that upsets the apple cart.