Sex Changes

Someday it will be as easy as injecting insulin.

As easy as injecting insulin you can't afford to buy, and unaffordable insurances won't cover.

No it will never be that easy. We can’t even sure a cold.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
someday, probably. trans woman gets a vagina, regrets their decision, returns to get their penis re-implanted.

literally all the arguments i hear of why it's so dangerous has an unspecified expiration date

I'm looking forward to it. 👆 I am a very big fan of the Deus-Ex universe (the newer games) which show body-mods being taken to the next level in the near future.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
what's wrong Special Ed? did i knock over some furniture in your mind and give you another concussion?

Did you see your mental health professional recently and take your meds today

When’s the last time you went to a anger management class?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm looking forward to it. 👆 I am a very big fan of the Deus-Ex universe (the newer games) which show body-mods being taken to the next level in the near future.

body parts/organ cloning already seem to be an inevitable reality. perhaps one of us will be the first to try out a freshly cloned heart or kidney in our elderly years. i don't believe this is far-off star trek medical tech we're talking about.

If we were to stop allowing trans people to get sex changes would we also stop people from getting breast implants, penis enlargements, nose jobs, face lifts, liposuction etc... Which all have a long history of having patients that suffer from body dysmorphic disorder and other mental illnesses and have a much higher rate of suicide than people that dont get "unnecessary" cosmetic surgeries?

I'm totally fine with a delusional person who thinks that he or she is the "wrong sex" having a supposed "sex change." What I'm definitely not ok with though is the taxpayers being forced to pay for it.

People who have depression are supposed to get on medication and seek therapy, people who think they were born a different gender is a different story, it’s almost Hersey to suggest they need the same. Seems a bit fishy.

Originally posted by Raptor22
If we were to stop allowing trans people to get sex changes would we also stop people from getting breast implants, penis enlargements, nose jobs, face lifts, liposuction etc... Which all have a long history of having patients that suffer from body dysmorphic disorder and other mental illnesses and have a much higher rate of suicide than people that dont get "unnecessary" cosmetic surgeries?

👆

I legit need a nose job to fix my nasal passages/breathing. My left nostril has much lower "air flow." It's because of a partially torn septum back when I was 15. Healed too far to the left at the top where it connects to the bone. I don't do it because I feel like I should just deal with it and not be a baby but my vanity makes me want to have a perfectly symmetric nose.

Originally posted by dadudemon
👆

I legit need a nose job to fix my nasal passages/breathing. My left nostril has much lower "air flow." It's because of a partially torn septum back when I was 15. Healed too far to the left at the top where it connects to the bone. I don't do it because I feel like I should just deal with it and not be a baby but my vanity makes me want to have a perfectly symmetric nose.

I broke my nose when I was younger, and even though my nose appeared to be completely straight, my septum was deviated, and I had very little airflow on one side. My trainer actually recognized it, because he is an MMA fighter, and has seen how a lot of guys with broken noses breathe. A visit to an EMT and several tests confirmed it, so I had a septoplasty to fix it. My nose still looks the same on the outside, but I have improved airflow on the previously deviated side. They cannot guarantee equivalent airflow to the unaffected side for neurological reasons. They longer you go with diminished airflow on that side, your brain rewires itself to not allocate as many resources to the functioning of that side. That can change over time, but not always. So you will get some improvement, but it may not be 100%.

Originally posted by SquallX
The suicide rate has nothing with those people being bullying though. If you’re gonna make such a blatant statement, you need to show proof to back up such a stance.

'Bully-victims are more likely than those who bully, those who are bullied, or their uninvolved peers to report being physically hurt by a family member, to witness family violence, and exhibit suicide-related behaviors"

LGBT kids get bullied much more than straight counterparts,
"bullying victimization is more prevalent upon lesbian and gay youth—60% report victimization during the past 30 days prior to the survey compared with 28.8% of heterosexual youth"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4721504/

As for trans people exclusively...
"Experiencing discrimination or mistreatment in education, employment, housing, health care, in places of public accommodations, or from law enforcement is associated with a higher prevalence of suicide thoughts and attempts. For example, the prevalence of past-year suicide attempts by those who reported that they had been denied equal treatment in the past year because they are transgender was more than double that of those who had not experienced such treatment (13.4% compared to 6.3%).

Those who reported rejection by their family of origin, for example, reported twice the prevalence of past-year suicide attempts compared to those who had not experienced such rejection (10.5% compared to 5.1%).

Over 30 percent of those who were physically attacked in a place of public accommodation reported attempting suicide in the past year, which is over four times the prevalence among respondents who were not similarly attacked.

97.7 percent of those who had experienced four discriminatory or violence experiences in the past year (being fired or forced to resign from a job, eviction, experiencing homelessness, and physical attack) reported seriously thinking about suicide in the past year and 51.2 percent made a suicide attempt in the past year.

A lower proportion of respondents who lived in a state with a gender identity nondiscrimination statute reported past-year suicide thoughts and attempts than those who lived in states without such a statute."

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/suicidality-transgender-adults/

It isn't the only risk factor but you can't deny social ostracization contributes to suicidal behavior man. Its the same argument used against gays/lesbians in the 00's. Try not treating people like shit first, then we'll revisit the statistic...

These things are fundamentally flawed though.

Because no one would ever admit to bullying, and rarely admit to being bullied.

And even if they did, who decides whats bullying? What if someone claims they're bullied, and it turns out they're passive-aggressive trolls who antagonize people?

oh goody, i didn't know we were having a deviated septum support group.
mine is well deviated thanks to many accidents, acts of jackassery, and fighting. never broke my nose but it sure got bent af.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I broke my nose when I was younger, and even though my nose appeared to be completely straight, my septum was deviated, and I had very little airflow on one side. My trainer actually recognized it, because he is an MMA fighter, and has seen how a lot of guys with broken noses breathe. A visit to an EMT and several tests confirmed it, so I had a septoplasty to fix it. My nose still looks the same on the outside, but I have improved airflow on the previously deviated side. They cannot guarantee equivalent airflow to the unaffected side for neurological reasons. They longer you go with diminished airflow on that side, your brain rewires itself to not allocate as many resources to the functioning of that side. That can change over time, but not always. So you will get some improvement, but it may not be 100%.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
"Someday"

You talk so caviler About stuff it’s amazing you would ever even consider yourself "smart" you have no idea about the physical pain and 10-20 surges, infections, and huge problems people face now. But as long as you feel safe saying "cos freedom" makes you sleep better at night while your nails people on here 24/7 I hope you feel better. You have never taken any risk in you besides taking the bus or crossing the street?

I don't think this acknowledge the many trans people who are happy with their choice of surgeries. Of course it is difficult and in stretches painful, but if they view it as the better alternative I think that makes a lot of sense.

The vast majority of people that transition do not regret it, estimates and studies range from as low as 0.3% (3 people out of 1000) to at most 8% ever having regret (even though even in the 8% case, 64% of these actually lived as a gender not assigned to them).

So if one wants to actually forbid the vast majority of these people to do something that they obviously want and are happy with I think you'd need extraordinary reasons, and it should certainly not be done without most of the input to the decision coming from the affected individuals.

The wikipedia page on Detransition is a pretty good starting point about the issue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detransition

As long as they're consenting adults and mentally sound, they can do whatever they want.

Originally posted by Silent Master
As long as they're consenting adults and mentally sound, they can do whatever they want.

On their dime.

Originally posted by Silent Master
As long as they're consenting adults and mentally sound, they can do whatever they want.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
oh goody, i didn't know we were having a deviated septum support group.
mine is well deviated thanks to many accidents, acts of jackassery, and fighting. never broke my nose but it sure got bent af.

Not trying to be mean here, but your skull-like structure looks seriously deformed. I can only imagine what your poor excuse for a “brain” must look like. There’s several things wrong there Bashy Boi.

Originally posted by cdtm
These things are fundamentally flawed though.

Because no one would ever admit to bullying, and rarely admit to being bullied.

And even if they did, who decides whats bullying? What if someone claims they're bullied, and it turns out they're passive-aggressive trolls who antagonize people?

It's a circular cultural occurrence. Cultural.
I'll share. I was recruited multiple times to give my life to a certain gang. I never accepted. My life was threatened first. Then my entire immediate family's lives were threatened if I didn't v in. Had a few drive bys when I kept refusing. I wouldn't be surprised if that still goes on, but never gets reported.