Count Dooku vs Kylo Ren

Both at best in canon only who will win in the following:-

1. Light saber duel only
2. Force powers and abilities only
3. Combo of the above in a fight

Dooku in all three

1. Dooku
2. Kylo Ren
3. Dooku

1 & 3 to Dooku. Not sure on 2. Kylo obviously has the Skywalker raw power and potential. But hes inconsistent as fak.

Dooku sweeps.

Force would be the closest, but Dooku's lightning would be too much for Kylo

Dooku takes all esp since I don't think Kylo has shown any ability to deflect Force Lightning in canon

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Dooku takes all esp since I don't think Kylo has shown any ability to deflect Force Lightning in canon

If Rey can (with a Saber), I think its almost a given that Kylo can.

Although I get she could shoot FL as well which apparently he could not.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
If Rey can (with a Saber), I think its almost a given that Kylo can.

Although I get she could shoot FL as well which apparently he could not.

Did you just compare Rey with the power and skills of all the Jedi to base Kylo Ren?

Dooku in all except in the force

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Did you just compare Rey with the power and skills of all the Jedi to base Kylo Ren?

Lol sorry yeah I forgot about that tiny element.

Still if even AOTC Kenobi can block lightning, why would we assume Kylo Ren cant?

Pretty sure Kylo used tutaminis in TFA novel against Rey's lightsaber, so I wouldn't be surprised if he could block it with that as well.

Who has the best tk feat?

Dooku casually lifting a dozen or so obelisks or Kylo collapsing those ancient statues?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Who has the best tk feat?

Dooku casually lifting a dozen or so obelisks or Kylo collapsing those ancient statues?

Kylos is better. He has that Skywalker raw power/potential. But Dookus a lot more consistent. In fact Kylo was struggling to hold Voe just moments before his big statue collapsing feat.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lol sorry yeah I forgot about that tiny element.

Still if even AOTC Kenobi can block lightning, why would we assume Kylo Ren cant?

Because it requires being taught to be frank we don't even know if Luke could deflect it, and the only time we saw him face lightning against Snoke he got rocked by it.

If Rey knows how to block it, Kylo would know too.
Rey being amped is irrelevant. The amp increased her power, not her knowledge.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
and the only time we saw him face lightning against Snoke he got rocked by it.

Well that aint really fair because he didnt have his lightsaber ignited.

As for Luke he collected masses of knowledge (in canon), and carried on communing with the Force Ghosts of Obi-Wan, Anakin and Yoda. So he would definitely know how to do that.

However Kylo may not know because he left Luke as a Padawan. And who knows if Snoke taught him.

But I have to believe someone who has the level of force mastery it takes to freeze a blaster bolt would be able to deflect lightning with the use of his Saber.

Originally posted by Darthadi
If Rey knows how to block it, Kylo would know too.
Rey being amped is irrelevant. The amp increased her power, not her knowledge.

"I am all the Jedi" does not mean just power. She also had the knowledge to channel that power.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well that aint really fair because he didnt have his lightsaber ignited.

As for Luke he collected masses of knowledge (in canon), and carried on communing with the Force Ghosts of Obi-Wan, Anakin and Yoda. So he would definitely know how to do that.

However Kylo may not know because he left Luke as a Padawan. And who knows if Snoke taught him.

But I have to believe someone who has the level of force mastery it takes to freeze a blaster bolt would be able to deflect lightning with the use of his Saber.

Luke I'd give the benefit of the doubt, but what I'm saying is its an advanced technique. People don't default knowing it just because they are powerful.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Luke I'd give the benefit of the doubt, but what I'm saying is its an advanced technique. People don't default knowing it just because they are powerful.

I get that, but do you not think freezing a blaster bolt also seems like a pretty advanced technique? Like beyond the level of mastery AOTC Obi-Wan has.

Thats why id give him the benefit of the doubt on that.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I get that, but do you not think freezing a blaster bolt also seems like a pretty advanced technique? Like beyond the level of mastery AOTC Obi-Wan has.

Thats why id give him the benefit of the doubt on that.

Not really how that works. They are different techniques. One is an application of Force Stasis (something Cal Kestis could do as a Padawan), one is an advanced saber/force technique.