Count Dooku vs Kylo Ren

Started by Scizard3 pages

Doesn't seem like an advanced technique to me. Just put your lightsaber up and you're good.

Originally posted by Scizard
Doesn't seem like an advanced technique to me. Just put your lightsaber up and you're good.

Which is why Savage Opress couldn't just put his saber up. Come on now.

Yeah lightning can be in wide bursts and shot separately from both hands. So it has to be focused through the force to the Saber.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Not really how that works. They are different techniques. One is an application of Force Stasis (something Cal Kestis could do as a Padawan), one is an advanced saber/force technique.

Cal does that?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Which is why Savage Opress couldn't just put his saber up. Come on now.

Savage is a beast who defies all the rules. But I would guess he's just too slow. If there was some sort of advanced technique other than not being a spaz don't you think Assaj would've taken Savage when he was off on a mission and trained him to block it, kinda essential if you want to take down Dooku.

Why would blocking Force Lightning be taught in Jedi training?

If the Sith were thought gone I don't see the need.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Why would blocking Force Lightning be taught in Jedi training?

If the Sith were thought gone I don't see the need.

They knew the Sith were around since TPM.

Originally posted by Scizard
Savage is a beast who defies all the rules. But I would guess he's just too slow. If there was some sort of advanced technique other than not being a spaz don't you think Assaj would've taken Savage when he was off on a mission and trained him to block it, kinda essential if you want to take down Dooku.

Oh forgot Ventress can also block it. So yeah seems kinda standard tbh.

Savage had hardly any training whatsoever. His power mostly came from the enhancement Mother Talzin gave him, and his fighting technique from being the best of a warrior clan.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Why would blocking Force Lightning be taught in Jedi training?

If the Sith were thought gone I don't see the need.

There always could be Dark Jedi who could possibly use it?

..Then again I don't think we've seen any other than Sith Lords use it in Canon, so...fair point. But perhaps just something taught as a precaution?

Perhaps they didnt teach it until post TPM when they discovered the Sith were back.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Perhaps they didnt teach it until post TPM when they discovered the Sith were back.

Would make sense yeah.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Perhaps they didnt teach it until post TPM when they discovered the Sith were back.
The implication in Dooku: Jedi Lost is that the Jedi didn't really teach their students much at all about the Sith -- it was a taboo subject. For example, when Dooku was a Jedi, he had to break into the Jedi vaults(where ancient Sith holocrons/texts were kept) to start learning anything of value about the esoteric ways of the dark side. So in the pre-PT era, I doubt learning how to block FL would have been part of the students' essential learning.

But that could have very well changed after the events of TPM.

I guess it is possible then Kylo didnt know. He hadnt finished his training under Luke, and Snoke likely wouldnt have taught Kylo how to defend himself against Snoke.

Tbf, Luke was Kylo's Master for over a decade, and in that time he evidently taught Kylo how to become a Force Spirit.

So if Luke taught Kylo abilities that advanced, it seems possible that he would have at least glossed over something a bit more rudimentary, like blocking FL -- especially given his own personal encounter with it. /shrug

Do we know he taught him the Force ghost technique? I thought maybe Skywalkers just turn into Ghosts regardless given Anakin did.

Everything is easier for Skywalkers for sure, but it's still an ability that has to be learned.

Originally posted by Galan007
The implication in Dooku: Jedi Lost is that the Jedi didn't really teach their students much at all about the Sith -- it was a taboo subject. For example, when Dooku was a Jedi, he had to break into the Jedi vaults(where ancient Sith holocrons/texts were kept) to start learning anything of value about the esoteric ways of the dark side. So in the pre-PT era, I doubt learning how to block FL would have been part of the students' essential learning.

This seems kind of a step backwards, something something something, not learning from history can equal bad things. I mean yeah the Dark Side was dangerous, but if the Jedi don't know how dangerous it can be by not learning properly about it....that's kinda worse.

One of the many flaws of the PT Jedi I suppose

Originally posted by Zenwolf
This seems kind of a step backwards, something something something, not learning from history can equal bad things. I mean yeah the Dark Side was dangerous, but if the Jedi don't know how dangerous it can be by not learning properly about it....that's kinda worse.
The indication I got from the book is that the Jedi were wary of exposing their students to the Sith ways, because they didn't want to risk them seduced by the power of the dark side. I guess maybe they didn't think the students had enough self-control to handle that kind of knowledge without being corrupted by it?

Once they were Knight-level, the Jedi were a lot more free to research the Sith if they chose to... But even then it was frowned upon by the others.

Originally posted by Galan007
The implication in Dooku: Jedi Lost is that the Jedi didn't really teach their students much at all about the Sith -- it was a taboo subject. For example, when Dooku was a Jedi, he had to break into the Jedi vaults(where ancient Sith holocrons/texts were kept) to start learning anything of value about the esoteric ways of the dark side. So in the pre-PT era, I doubt learning how to block FL would have been part of the students' essential learning.

But that could have very well changed after the events of TPM.

I think some Jedi were allowed to such as that female Jedi from Jedi Lost who specialized in tracking down Sith relics.

Kostana was a Master, though, so she was allowed to research the Sith and whatnot.

But even still, Kostana's fascination with the dark side essentially made her a leper among the Jedi... She wasn't well received by the rest of the Order.

Originally posted by Galan007
Kostana was a Master, though, so she was allowed to research the Sith and whatnot.

But even still, Kostana's fascination with the dark side essentially made her a leper among the Jedi... She wasn't well received by the rest of the Order.

Cool , sorry another thing I wasn’t sure about suppose a sith like Dooku or savage for example could They have become more powerful by studying more holcrons and artifacrs etc , like can any sith increase and enhance their powers And abilities to higher levels constantly etc ?