Why was the KKK never declared a terrorist organization like ANTIFA is now?
Title. I don't support ANTIFA either for the record, but it begs the question.
Do they have some level of reach within the government perhaps, bribing to not make them illegal? Either way, them existing still (however obscure they may be now) only helps keep the systematic kind of racism against black people ongoing...
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Title. I don't support ANTIFA either for the record, but it begs the question.Do they have some level of reach within the government perhaps, bribing to not make them illegal? Either way, them existing still (however obscure they may be now) only helps keep the systematic kind of racism against black people ongoing...
Antifa is not. Trump wants to do it, but it hasn't yet been done.
KKK was solely a domestic group so I think they couldn't be designated one. Same argument is being used for why Trump won't be able to designate antifa one.
Antifa has members around the world so that argument doesn't really work for them. Anyway, while I certainly agree with Trump that Antifa should be labelled terrorists, I don't think it will be very effective in putting an end to their cowardly tactics. They can just change their outfits and call themselves something else if they don't like being called terrorists.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaedurwank
Antifa has members around the world so that argument doesn't really work for them. Anyway, while I certainly agree with Trump that Antifa should be labelled terrorists, I don't think it will be very effective in putting an end to their cowardly tactics. They can just change their outfits and call themselves something else if they don't like being called terrorists.
Just a guess: Because the KKK is insular and non violent.
You don't really see them in public, and as far as I know they haven't attacked anybody (If I'm wrong, I'd agree they absolutely should be a terrorist organization)
While Antifa reportedly does resort to physical violance. Whirl even posted an article that defended the practice. Doing it in the name of fighting neo-nazi's doesn't make it non violent.
And looking at someones hat is also a bad way to detect neo-nazi's.
Trigger warning Tim Pool video:
Trump CAN Designate Antifa As Terror But There Are Worrying Questions About It
Intriguing.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Antifa has members around the world so that argument doesn't really work for them. Anyway, while I certainly agree with Trump that Antifa should be labelled terrorists, I don't think it will be very effective in putting an end to their cowardly tactics. They can just change their outfits and call themselves something else if they don't like being called terrorists.
Just like when the KKK used to change their outfits everyday and called themselves "The Police" instead.
Disclaimer: Not Sting. I heard he's litigious.
Because it obviously hurts certain snowflakes' fee fees. The thugs in Antifa are basically their heroes. They like having their delusional belief that all Antifa members are all little Captain America's (wearing black and carrying communist flags lol) fighting evil nazis lol.
They don't want to have this deeply delusional belief shattered.
So notwithstanding Whirl's link to a well balanced article condoning violence...
Are we SURE that cases of violence against randoms is really Antifa? And not people dressed like Antifa, or unconnected trouble makers?
Because if you're going to label someone a terrorist, you really should have proof they're terrorizing anybody.
Originally posted by Silent Master
They are terrorists, so what's the problem with calling them what they are?
And hows that exactly?
Is it Because theyre mostly black people committing these crimes?
Or is it because theyre fed up of the oppression and inequality on the black community which makes them have a cause?
Originally posted by cdtm
So notwithstanding Whirl's link to a well balanced article condoning violence...Are we SURE that cases of violence against randoms is really Antifa? And not people dressed like Antifa, or unconnected trouble makers?
Because if you're going to label someone a terrorist, you really should have proof they're terrorizing anybody.
Which is why I think there should be a law against wearing masks in public. Oh, that's right... people "have to" wear masks now because of Coronavirus. Quite convenient, isn't it? It's almost like what has happened over the past six months or so has happened by design, eh?
But nah, that's just a crazy right-wing conspiracy theory ain't it? LoL.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
And hows that exactly?Is it Because theyre mostly black people committing these crimes?
Or is it because theyre fed up of the oppression and inequality on the black community which makes them have a cause?
Wait a minute...
It's black people committing most of these looting and vandalism crimes? I didn't know that.
This is a "fact" that would get me into trouble in polite conversation unless it is true. I saw some of the arrest photos - looked like people from many ethnic backgrounds but I didn't see anything that stood out as "yeah, most of these criminals are black." Might be my own bias looking for all the young, white, anarchists in those photos.*
*Which, to Silent Master's point, would also make me a bit racist which I will not deny.
Oh so this ones great.
Donald Rumsfeld back in 2003 regarding Looting in Iraq:
While no one condones looting, on the other hand, one can understand the pent up feelings that may result from decades of repression and people who have had members of their family killed by that regime, for them to be taking their feelings out on that regime.
And I dont think theres anyone in any of those pictures.... (who wouldnt) accept it as part of the price of getting from a repressed regime to freedom.
^ Sounds like a lefty apologist for terrorism.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Why are you so racist?
Ill take that as a deflection.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Wait a minute...It's black people committing most of these looting and vandalism crimes? I didn't know that.
This is a "fact" that would get me into trouble in polite conversation unless it is true. I saw some of the arrest photos - looked like people from many ethnic backgrounds but I didn't see anything that stood out as "yeah, most of these criminals are black." Might be my own bias looking for all the young, white, anarchists in those photos.*
*Which, to Silent Master's point, would also make me a bit racist which I will not deny.
So its not mostly the black community rioting here?
Interesting.
Its fine ill take the flack for being racist in assuming that.