Originally posted by Surtur
It's the data we have to go by.And herein lies the problem. You're going to say they report it less because they are afraid of the cops, I assume?
Already did more or less, wouldn't say fear, but I'm sure indoctrination would play a part in ethnic groups being unwilling to report a crime committed against them by a white person.
Originally posted by Surturyeah but those homicides are mostly on other black people in Ghetto's in the US like in the UK. Variation would also be state to state and city to city. Where you have a majority low educated poor whites I suspect they are the main murderers.
For more honesty: we do not commit the majority of homicides though. So good for us 👆
Originally posted by samhain
Already did more or less, wouldn't say fear, but I'm sure indoctrination would play a part in ethnic groups being unwilling to report a crime committed against them by a white person.
It might play some role who knows, but the issue is for every critique there is always some outside source that is blamed.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
yeah but those homicides are mostly on other black people in Ghetto's in the US like in the UK. Variation would also be state to state and city to city. Where you have a majority low educated poor whites I suspect they are the main murderers.
Yep poverty does play a part, as does culture.
Originally posted by Surtur
Yep poverty does play a part, as does culture.
What do you mean with culture exactly? Like crime glorifying music and media? Or perhaps the culture of fear and distrust of the police?
I do think both of those could play a part, though I would assume much less so than poverty, but how do you change them? I think they are probably more symptoms of extreme poverty and continuing social segregation, so solutions seem to me to be very similar to those of poverty, structural investment in schools, a different approach than policing for black neighborhoods, justice reform to have less black people go to jail for very minor offenses or nothing more than inability to post bail, and then of course jobs programs, something most of the US could benefit from.
Originally posted by Artol
The whole statistics that this is based on are very interesting actually, they show a significant segregation between whites and blacks in particularly. You are generally most likely to be a victim of a crime by someone your race, but interestingly latinos and asians are much more likely to be victimized by white people than you might expect looking just at blacks and whites. There's a lot of ways to interpret it, but I would agree that the one that a lot of people who are against the Black Lives Matter movement use it isn't a very informative way to use them.
Blacks are the least likely, by far, of any race, to report crimes or cooperate with police.
I don't know anything about this research - is is this crime victimization data (actual crimes committed) or is this victimization research (where they get people to cooperate and tell the truth with anonymity so that the people who don't want to involve the police can report victimization)?
But what this chart tells me is we all need to start robbing Asian people.
Originally posted by samhain
I've seen this being posted a few times here lately, I assume it's supposed to prove that white people are being victimised by other ethnic groups far more than when white people victimise other ethnic groups, but all it really does is prove that white people report crimes a lot more than other races. I would imagine at least part of that is down to an unwillingness on the part of non-whites to report being the victim of a white criminal, particularly in the US, where minorities are told; 'White people hate you, especially the police.' Seems that they would be far less likely to report a crime at all.
Bigots love using that graph out of context, the graph Artol posted shows the broader picture.
Originally posted by BackFire👆
Seeing as it would probably get started under a racist pretense or if it wasn’t it would likely get taken over by racists very quickly, yes it would most likely be considered racist.
Originally posted by Robtardyes it does and yes they do.
Bigots love using that graph out of context, the graph Artol posted shows the broader picture.
Originally posted by Artol
What do you mean with culture exactly? Like crime glorifying music and media? Or perhaps the culture of fear and distrust of the police?I do think both of those could play a part, though I would assume much less so than poverty, but how do you change them? I think they are probably more symptoms of extreme poverty and continuing social segregation, so solutions seem to me to be very similar to those of poverty, structural investment in schools, a different approach than policing for black neighborhoods, justice reform to have less black people go to jail for very minor offenses or nothing more than inability to post bail, and then of course jobs programs, something most of the US could benefit from.
I'm going to bottom line this: all the problems plaguing the black community cannot solely be blamed on outside forces. It cannot solely be blamed on poverty, cops, racism, etc.