Originally posted by Sin I AM👆
x-23 stomps. Frank already got wrecked by Daken and she's even better
Laura would be much more direct in ending the fight, sans banter.
The only caveat is that Laura doesn’t have Daken’s stupid pheromones, and that Laura in a standard mindset would hold back from gutting Castle and leaving him dead. She still wins though.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
x-23 stomps. Frank already got wrecked by Daken and she's even better
Daken stalemated X-23 when she had other X-girls backing her up... and in one other encounter, too.
Frank himself stalemated Laura in melee.
In a fight to the death, he's screwed. But since he "only" needs to KO her, it's very likely he can take this.
Against a monster like Frank, you need either TOAA, Presence or the real Wolverine.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Daken stalemated X-23 when she had other X-girls backing her up... and in one other encounter, too.Frank himself stalemated Laura in melee.
In a fight to the death, he's screwed. But since he "only" needs to KO her, it's very likely he can take this.
Against a monster like Frank, you need either TOAA, Presence or the real Wolverine.
he's not koing her and would lose a straight fight.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Daken stalemated X-23 when she had other X-girls backing her up... and in one other encounter, too.Frank himself stalemated Laura in melee.
Daken vs X-23 will probably always have knock down, drag out fights that end before anyone dies.
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Although, they're up each other's asses with wholesome brother/sister unity nowadays. I don't know if we'll see another fight for long time.
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Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
I was thinking Punisher's grenade launcher or frag grenades can knock her down for a few moments and immediately after he closes in and uses flamethrower to keep her suppressed and finally uses combat knife to dismember her. That last step would be the hardest though.
As long as we're not using Tom Taylor, who is Laura's Daniel Way, she should be good. Okay, Taylor isn't as bad as Way, and the stories weren't bad. She had several "wut" moments during that run though. That thing with Spider-Gwen or the sniper....facepalm
Originally posted by Smurph
👆Laura would be much more direct in ending the fight, sans banter.
The only caveat is that Laura doesn’t have Daken’s stupid pheromones, and that Laura in a standard mindset would hold back from gutting Castle and leaving him dead. She still wins though.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Nah, they stalemated on their own. Pixie and Armor didn't show up until the end, and didn't attack. Daken just gave up because there was nothing he could do after they arrived.
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Nah, you are missing a page with the final panel here.
He didn't give up. Osborn told his DA to stop fighting once the reporters arrived.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Daken vs X-23 will probably always have knock down, drag out fights that end before anyone dies.
https://ibb.co/yBFRvBL
https://ibb.co/88cnMQc
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Hated how they met for the first time here, even though it was technically their second encounter.
Is it really so hard to care about the continuity in the slightest?
Anyway, yeah, that was the other fight I was talking about.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Although, they're up each other's asses with wholesome brother/sister unity nowadays. I don't know if we'll see another fight for long time.
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Wow, just wow. Thanks for posting.
Originally posted by StyleTime
She's used grenades on herself in battle. It doesn't feel great, but she can eat it.
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Used them on Kimura, you mean.
She was still in the very close range, sure, but it's not the same as getting fragged by the grenade launcher from the maniac such as the God of Punishment here.
Originally posted by StyleTime
As long as we're not using Tom Taylor, who is Laura's Daniel Way, she should be good. Okay, Taylor isn't as bad as Way, and the stories weren't bad. She had several "wut" moments during that run though. That thing with Spider-Gwen or the sniper....facepalm
You know I'm not the one to downplay healing factors.
But Frank is accurate enough to take out Parker's webshooters after dodging his dual wide spray of webbing.
He can target her head and under forum rules is very likely to do so.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah, the mentality thing might come into play. When they fought, if she'd used her claws instead of an 8-ball, he'd be dead.
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Frying pan, 8-ball, some choking action... I miss Loeb sometimes.
Edit: You posted as I was typing this lol.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nah, you are missing a page with the final panel here.He didn't give up. Osborn told his DA to stop fighting once the reporters arrived.
But the mutants had already won when Moonstone got Osborn to retreat. We see Pixie and X in the crowd, with what seems to be Armor from behind, implying they already handled Daken.
https://ibb.co/JycPLqr
Just seems like they'd put the finishing touch on him to me. He'd have little chance against Armor or Pixie alone, much less together.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Used them on Kimura, you mean.She was still in the very close range, sure, but it's not the same as getting fragged by the grenade launcher from the maniac such as the God of Punishment here.
You know I'm not the one to downplay healing factors.
But Frank is accurate enough to take out Parker's webshooters after dodging his dual wide spray of webb
Yeah? Well, good thing she carries around pool balls now. It's Punisher's kryptonite.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Frying pan, 8-ball, some choking action... I miss Loeb sometimes.
Originally posted by StyleTime
You're right. There's one more image of all three hitting him at once. It seems like a final strike scenario though, not a stalemate, especially since Laura matched him alone. It appears they gave him a chance to stand down, he lashed out, and they all did a group face sit.
https://ibb.co/349HBJRBut it seems the mutants had already won when Moonstone got Osborn to retreat. We see Pixie and X in the crowd, with what seems to be Armor from behind, implying they already handled Daken.
https://ibb.co/JycPLqrJust seems like they'd put the finishing touch on him to me.
It was discussed plenty of times before on KMC. We may deeply analyze it again, but from what I learned, it's rather futile --- let's be honest, that Exodus issue was rushed as fuck and it was one of the laziest group fights in general.
Dark Avengers weren't done (even though it certainly seemed like some of them were on the ropes), otherwise Moonstone wouldn't care to explain the situation to Norman that they needed to kill th X-Men if they wanted to win --- and we see them leaving the battlefield just fine, all battered, but conscious.
Here's the Moonstone scene:
https://i.ibb.co/LdZYbwW/moonstone.jpg
Calling the media was Cyke's true ace in the hole; as lame as it was, it was used a few times in the whole Dark Reign event.
Fraction shouldn't have been allowed to write that cross-over, tbh. It was a mess and that team fight was a complete mess. It's a waste of time trying to make sense of it or guess what happened off-panel, in my humble opinion. You think Matt Fraction cared?
My whole point was that Daken is tough and has had good showings againt Laura, even when the odds were against him.
Frank wasn't in his best shape when he fought him and even then, it took a while for Daken to finish him off.
Originally posted by StyleTime
With the proximity, I'd say it was used on both, but I guess that's irrelevant. I just meant she can take them.
Sure she can.
It's just not the same as repeated hits from the grenade launcher.
M203 might not be really that powerful, but Frank can keep firing after stunning Laura. And when he runs out of ammo, he's also got the hand grenades for the finishing touch.
Frank is not some thug with guns; keep in mind one nade took care of Spider-Man.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah? Well, good thing she carries around pool balls now. It's Punisher's kryptonite.
Laura has a thing for pool balls, doesn't she? 😂
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Originally posted by StyleTime
Don't forget Wolverine ramming Red Hulk with a stolen taxi knowing it will do less damage than just stabbing him again lol.
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I remember that scene too well.
I really want to meet Loeb's dealer biscuits
Originally posted by StyleTime
Edit: You posted as I was typing this lol.
Happens all the time 😉
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was discussed plenty of times before on KMC. We may deeply analyze it again, but from what I learned, it's rather futile --- let's be honest, that Exodus issue was rushed as fuck and it was one of the laziest group fights in general.Dark Avengers weren't done (even though it certainly seemed like some of them were on the ropes), otherwise Moonstone wouldn't care to explain the situation to Norman that they needed to kill th X-Men if they wanted to win --- and we see them leaving the battlefield just fine, all battered, but conscious.
Here's the Moonstone scene:
https://i.ibb.co/LdZYbwW/moonstone.jpg
Calling the media was Cyke's true ace in the hole; as lame as it was, it was used a few times in the whole Dark Reign event.
Fraction shouldn't have been allowed to write that cross-over, tbh. It was a mess and that team fight was a complete mess. It's a waste of time trying to make sense of it or guess what happened off-panel, in my humble opinion. You think Matt Fraction cared?
My whole point was that Daken is tough and has had good showings againt Laura, even when the odds were against him.
I hear ya on the last thing, but my point was that the odds weren't really against him until the fight was over. It was just seemed like a 1v1 until then.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sure she can.It's just not the same as repeated hits from the grenade launcher.
M203 might not be really that powerful, but Frank can keep firing after stunning Laura. And when he runs out of ammo, he's also got the hand grenades for the finishing touch.
Frank is not some thug with guns; keep in mind one nade took care of Spider-Man.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Laura has a thing for pool balls, doesn't she? 😂
Originally posted by StyleTime
I agree it was a poorly executed group brawl. Even art wise, people would change positions in different panels for no reason lol. I do think Moonstone was just protecting their ego there though, as they were clearly getting a mutant flavored ass kicking. They were trying to make social messages about Cyke's PR campaign too, but that requires good writing to work. lol
I like Deodato. I can't imagine working with Fraction and his script must have been pleasant, so I forgive him.
Originally posted by StyleTime
I hear ya on the last thing, but my point was that the odds weren't really against him until the fight was over. It was just seemed like a 1v1 until then.
One panel of Daken and X-23 fighting.
One panel of him and X-23, Pixie and Armor fighting (seems to be even).
Off-panel --- anything is possible, but their 1v1 fight likely lasted longer, sure, if we count the pages. If that's the way it works with Fraction, that is... who likely has forgotten all rules of time and space in that mess.
Keep in mind not every Dark Avenger was as incompetent as Mimic, Sentry or Ares. Even Gargan seemed to be holding his own.
The splash page with the reporters is what makes it all weird --- as if they took a break from fighting the bad guys just for a group photo.
Even Osborn is not delusional enough to think he could beat them all with just Moonstone's help.
And they all seem to be relatively fine and mobile, as they leave the battlefield in one nifty flying formation.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Oh, she'll take damage no doubt.
She'll take it, she'll recover from it swiftly.
But it's within the realms of possibility she would get KO'd in the process; tanking grenades coming at high speed to her face is not the same as getting simply shot in the head.
I've come to accept Castle is like John Rambo, John Wick and Max Payne all in one.
On steroids. With a built-in aimbot.
Originally posted by StyleTime
It was so unnecessary for her to do that too. Sure Laura, just ruin the game and rip up the table for a point you don't need to make. 😂
But you gotta admit it's pretty consistent.
The X-Men had more cash than they knew what to do with, so they always wrecked their own stuff like that 😂
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
One panel of Daken and X-23 fighting.One panel of him and X-23, Pixie and Armor fighting (seems to be even).
Off-panel --- anything is possible, but their 1v1 fight likely lasted longer, sure, if we count the pages. If that's the way it works with Fraction, that is... who likely has forgotten all rules of time and space in that mess.
Keep in mind not every Dark Avenger was as incompetent as Mimic, Sentry or Ares. Even Gargan seemed to be holding his own.
The splash page with the reporters is what makes it all weird --- as if they took a break from fighting the bad guys just for a group photo.
Even Osborn is not delusional enough to think he could beat them all with just Moonstone's help.
And they all seem to be relatively fine and mobile, as they leave the battlefield in one nifty flying formation.
Even if not, I wouldn't say it was even. Landing a hit on Laura while all three freely attack is still in their favor, especially when we know the players involved.
Yeah, they all left in tact, but I chalk that up to hero brawl rules. No one was likely to die or get seriously hurt, but it's clear when you need to run home.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But you gotta admit it's pretty consistent.The X-Men had more cash than they knew what to do with, so they always wrecked their own stuff like that 😂
Originally posted by StyleTime
There's multiple panels of X-23 fighting Daken though, which tells us it lasted a bit. There's only one of him getting hit by the threesome, then everyone lined up for the middle school pep rally.
C'mon, now.
"Multiple panels"?
I only see two that matter --- when they clash for the first time and draw blood and when Daken kicks Laura in the background.
The battle damage (torn outfits) might indicate that there was more to it, now that would be a good argument. But not the panels themselves.
Then, it became 3v1, with Pixie getting Laura out of the way and replacing her with Armor... and next time we see them, it sure doesn't look like Daken is getting beaten or giving up, as you suggested earlier.
Outnumbered and fighting an uphill battle, sure. Losing? No.
If he lost (off-panel), he certainly made the "girl power" team work for it, as the panel shows us.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Sure, off panel events aren't always certain, but I still say that was the end of the fight. Those 4 pages showed a sequence of X-Men overcoming their opponents, culminating with the Moonstone/Osborne retreat. He's even screaming "No, no no no no!" in frustration witnessing it. It just seems like the intent is "this is when they won."
Some of Dark Avengers were overcome, granted. Not all of them, though.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Even if not, I wouldn't say it was even. Landing a hit on Laura while all three freely attack is still in their favor, especially when we know the players involved. It wasn't Shen Kuei vs the B.A.D. Girls or Taskmaster vs Deadpool/Punisher.
Sure, but he wasn't going down.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah, they all left in tact, but I chalk that up to hero brawl rules. No one was likely to die or get seriously hurt, but it's clear when you need to run home.
All left when Norman gave the order.
In a perfect formation.
That and the fact that Moonstone insisted on the possibility of winning if they went all out makes me think they weren't done.
Well, Sentry definitely was 😂
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Here's me trying to make sense out of it. It's possible that DA weren't dumb enough to keep fighting the X-Men, once the reporters arrived.
That would explain how the X-Men were able to gather themselves on that ridiculous "group photo" splash page.
Or perhaps Moonstone explained the situation to her teammates.
It's just a theory, but it's better than what the issue showed us.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah, they have zero regard for property damage lol. I remember Colossus ripping up a water pipe just to make a point to an X-Kid. Wolverine damaged Cable's computer when it tried to put out his cigarette. They clearly don't give a ****.
Must be a wonderful life at the X-Mansion.
Aside from the risk of getting stomped by a giant robot, of course.
