Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
C'mon, now."Multiple panels"?
I only see two that matter --- when they clash for the first time and draw blood and when Daken kicks Laura in the background.
The battle damage (torn outfits) might indicate that there was more to it, now that would be a good argument. But not the panels themselves.
Then, it became 3v1, with Pixie getting Laura out of the way and replacing her with Armor... and next time we see them, it sure doesn't look like Daken is getting beaten or giving up, as you suggested earlier.
Outnumbered and fighting an uphill battle, sure. Losing? No.
If he lost (off-panel), he certainly made the "girl power" team work for it, as the panel shows us.
I said it appears he got back up, after being offered the chance to stand down. Then they clash, which is where they all strike, followed by the girls turning into cheerleaders. I'm also trying to make sense of it, and that follows what we saw. Saying they stalemated doesn't vibe with me because they'd still be locked up with him, and the context of the image is that of the X-Men finishing off their opponents.
The girl power thing was dumb, mostly because Daken would use more personalized insults to X. He probably would have taunted her for "calling in backup" or more stuff about being Logan's lapdog.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Some of Dark Avengers were overcome, granted. Not all of them, though.All left when Norman gave the order.
In a perfect formation.
That and the fact that Moonstone insisted on the possibility of winning if they went all out makes me think they weren't done.
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Here's me trying to make sense out of it. It's possible that DA weren't dumb enough to keep fighting the X-Men, once the reporters arrived.That would explain how the X-Men were able to gather themselves on that ridiculous "group photo" splash page.
Or perhaps Moonstone explained the situation to her teammates.
It's just a theory, but it's better than what the issue showed us.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Ok, stick with those two. They clash at the beginning of the whole thing though, and are still fighting when we revisit them. There's no doubt they were battling for a good while. I don't really see any other to read it.
There's nothing else to stick with.
The time spent off-panel and torn costumes indicate it lasted a while, but I already agreed on that in two earlier posts.
What I absolutely don't agree on is that "multiple panels" thing, as we got basically the same amount of panels that matter in both cases.
Slice, kick.
Leap, hitting his head against Armor, raahh/graaa fight.
That was a problem with the whole issue, btw.
Whole crossover done just to make fans eagerly wait for a few panels of action for each character. Butter spread on too much bread.
Originally posted by StyleTime
I said it appears he got back up, after being offered the chance to stand down. Then they clash, which is where they all strike, followed by the girls turning into cheerleaders. I'm also trying to make sense of it, and that follows what we saw. Saying they stalemated doesn't vibe with me because they'd still be locked up with him, and the context of the image is that of the X-Men finishing off their opponents.The girl power thing was dumb, mostly because Daken would use more personalized insults to X. He probably would have taunted her for "calling in backup" or more stuff about being Logan's lapdog.
Moonstone showed up to Osborne right as all that happened and Osborne was in REEEEE mode, so she couldn't have talked to her teammates yet. I'm sure they would have continued fighting were the reporters not around, and even taken some people out. That doesn't change them losing.
Exodus book is a perfect example on how NOT to do team fights.
KMC has been trying to make sense out of it for eleven years, we're not gonna succeed.
Everyone sees what they want to see; thorbags see Ares capable of solo'ing Utopia, for example (go figure...).
I agree it was a win for the X-Men, though some Dark Avengers managed to perform admirably on panel, while others clearly got their asses handed to them.
Keep in mind Daken was holding back; not using his Muramasa claws or pheromone manip.
Similar with how he never chose to try out the stun claw against Laura in their second fight 😉
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
There's nothing else to stick with.The time spent off-panel and torn costumes indicate it lasted a while, but I already agreed on that in two earlier posts.
What I absolutely don't agree on is that "multiple panels" thing, as we got basically the same amount of panels that matter in both cases.
Slice, kick.
Leap, hitting his head against Armor, raahh/graaa fight.
That was a problem with the whole issue, btw.
Whole crossover done just to make fans eagerly wait for a few panels of action for each character. Butter spread on too much bread.
Exodus book is a perfect example on how NOT to do team fights.
KMC has been trying to make sense out of it for eleven years, we're not gonna succeed.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Everyone sees what they want to see; thorbags see Ares capable of solo'ing Utopia, for example (go figure...).I agree it was a win for the X-Men, though some Dark Avengers managed to perform admirably on panel, while others clearly got their asses handed to them.
Keep in mind Daken was holding back; not using his Muramasa claws or pheromone manip.
Similar with how he never chose to try out the stun claw against Laura in their second fight 😉
Well, the pheromone manipulation is a whole other thing I have a problem with in general, although you've heard some of it before. But, that's not for this thread I guess. He'd definitely win with muramasa claws though, and stun claw is an edge.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If Frank were a woman, Style would be his biggest fan... 😖hifty:
Originally posted by StyleTime
We don't differ much in the end. It's just you said it was only one panel originally.
We don't.
You're one of the few classic KMCers I still respect, even though you love to side with females, which is giving me high blood presssure.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Ah yes, the Thorbags and Ares. They think he'd merc Wolverine and tool Gorgon because of the Phobos fight.
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Wolverine briefly stalemated him just fine in the Avengers/Invaders mini (maxi?) series, managing to block his sword strike despite Ares' massive strength advantage.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, the pheromone manipulation is a whole other thing I have a problem with in general, although you've heard some of it before. But, that's not for this thread I guess. He'd definitely win with muramasa claws though.
He forgets about his pheromones most of the time.
But as other comics of that time showed us, he had Muramasa claws and there was no reason for him not to use them against the trio, unless... unless... he was stalemating them just fine without them 😎
Originally posted by StyleTime
Like Lynn Michaels. ha-som
Or Rachel Cole.
I like Lynn better, though.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He forgets about his pheromones most of the time.But as other comics of that time showed us, he had Muramasa claws and there was no reason for him not to use them against the trio, unless... unless... he was stalemating them just fine without them 😎
Armor was muramasa-proof, yes.
But it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he penetrated her defenses with bone claws.
That's the problem with the bone claws; either they get written to emulate adamantium or they break easily.
Pixie - out of all possible options - decided to get within the claws range; she was lucky Daken spared her life 😛
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It gets better.X-23's HF is better than OML (OK), Daken, AND Deadpool's, lol. OML and Daken, fine, but DP?
And she'd already been fighting the infection when the others arrives. It was a pretty crazy showing all around.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Armor was muramasa-proof, yes.But it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he penetrated her defenses with bone claws.
That's the problem with the bone claws; either they get written to emulate adamantium or they break easily.
Pixie - out of all possible options - decided to get within the claws range; she was lucky Daken spared her life 😛
Yeah, Pixie though. Marvel had such a boner for her soul dagger for a while. They felt like they had to show her use it, even when it was her least useful option, or if she just stood around posing with it. Magik still suffers from this, which is probably why Pixie stole the X-Men's love for a bit.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Didn't X-23 use an armor in her run?
Also, Tom Taylor spells it Murumasa and called Lady Deathstrike "Yukio" for some reason.