Originally posted by Darth Thor
The Palestine issue will mean less votes for the Dems (but not any more votes for Republicans), which obviously gives Republicans higher chances of winning. Like Labour winning huge in the UK solely because the Tory vote collapsed.So Dems would do well to place someone even slightly more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause as their candidate.
As for the UK, you must be the only one who though Labour would lose. But looking at the vote share they managed it on, your prediction wasn't as insane as I would have thought before the election.
Yeah the Palestine situation worries me this election for that reason! Radicals are willing to throw their vote away and let fascism win bc of a foreign genocide that admittedly the Dems do support; I still think a vote blue is a sheer necessity in USA, even if ur a state-hating anarchist, you should vote blue every time without fail, bc it doesn't take long for progress to be undone and conservative authoritarianism to take hold with the GOP. Burning your vote for Palestine is counter-intuitive rebellion, Trump is just as pro-Israel, it's not like there's a viable pro-Palestine candidate. Ppl have to suck it up and vote.
But comparing that to the UK situation is worrying and seems to hold water. If Palestine is divisive enough, Trump doesn't have to get a single vote more than he did last time to feasibly win, the Dems just need to get fewer.
As for Labour, yeah, everyone said they'd win, but you don't know what 14 years of Tory hellscape does to the soul. Eventually, you think they'll just keep winning regardless of anything. That the UK is just Toryland now, we're in this for life, etc. I mean they beat Corbyn, who, despite propaganda, was hugely popular and in his own way populist. The smears didn't make Corbyn lose, the Tories just got more votes bc ppl kept saying "they've come this far so let's let them finish" and other passive idiocy bc they're subservient programmed serfs. In the end, though, it came down to voter
disenfranchisement from the Conservatives as a party entirely, not a Red Wave, a sea-shift to Labour. Labour didn't win; the Tories lost. In fact, Starmer's Labour gained fewer votes in this election than both of the times Corbyn was in charge and running. Hell the independent candidate I voted for (in Starmer's constituency) gained 8k votes whilst Starmer only got 18k lol. That's embarrassing, for a random guy on his own with his own money to garner nearly 1/2 of the votes that the ****ing Prime Minister got on his home turf.
Sorry, British politics makes me spazz out. I much prefer American politics.