Originally posted by ArtolThat reason is the intellectual backbone of my thought. But I am also a Christian who thinks that killing the potential of life is as killing life itself.
I see, well I mean that's at the heart of the disagreement of abortion, so if you are against it, that makes sense.
I believe our culture to be in a malaise, and I think our violent relationship with 'unwanted' human life is critical to the understanding of that social atrophy.
Originally posted by Stringer
No, I just find it strange that you would compliment a psychotic.
Poor form from such internet angel
Originally posted by dadudemon
What kind of person thinks it is a compliment to point that an intelligent person is masterfully manipulative in relationships?I guess that's just you. Weird. Maybe you're jealous of Eon's manipulation abilities?
I think your issue (beyond this just being you trolling) is you think intelligence can only be applied in a positive way. That's either pathetically naive or you know you don't have a relevant point.
Originally posted by Scribble
That reason is the intellectual backbone of my thought. But I am also a Christian who thinks that killing the potential of life is as killing life itself.I believe our culture to be in a malaise, and I think our violent relationship with 'unwanted' human life is critical to the understanding of that social atrophy.
Originally posted by ArtolI think that plenty of forms of abortion are necessary and valid, but I do not think that any sensible culture would let someone kill their child just because they 'wanna'.
Yeah, I think we are very opposed on this. To me the decriminalization of abortion has been one of the better advancements in western cultures over the last 50 years or so. I think it has given women more autonomy and has generally decreased suffering in the world, which is perhaps the main basis for my morality. But we don't have to talk about the topic, I've found that it is difficult to bridge the divide on it.
I wish I were a natural born woman and could have a kid. People killing them because they are lazy are the archetype for people who should burn in a literal form of Hell (although my opinions on "Hell" are complex).
Originally posted by Scribble
DDM, apologies for not replying to you yet — I haven't had much time to sit down and write recently. I've been writing stuff over time, and I will reply in time! I just haven't been at my laptop much.
Don't worry about it, home skillet! It is not problem at all. You do not owe me a reply to my reviews and thoughts.
I'll send you a PM.
Originally posted by Scribble
I think that plenty of forms of abortion are necessary and valid, but I do not think that any sensible culture would let someone kill their child just because they 'wanna'.I wish I were a natural born woman and could have a kid. People killing them because they are lazy are the archetype for people who should burn in a literal form of Hell (although my opinions on "Hell" are complex).
I can understand your personal wish in that case, and I can understand the anger at people who have something you want and can't have as well. I guess for me I don't really believe there are many abortions performed due to what I would call "laziness" or just because they "want to", although even if that was the case, I would not share your condemnation of them to the same degree.
Originally posted by ScribbleDo you think ejaculation from masturbation or sexual activity with another is equally heinous? And if not, why not?
Anyone who embraces the concept of the potential of the individual should be anti-abortion as a general rule (not including health reasons), otherwise you do not truly believe in the potential of the individual.
Originally posted by NemeBroI do not think masturbation is anything to brag about, or celebrate, but it is entirely one-sided. The fusion of male and female to create a new human being is the miraculous aspect, to put it in religious terms.
Do you think ejaculation from masturbation or sexual activity with another is equally heinous? And if not, why not?
Once that process is set in motion, I do not think it is moral to stop it, other than for various health reasons I have mentioned before. For example, if a mother knows that giving birth to a child will kill her, then that is her right to decide whether or not to pay that price.
Originally posted by ArtolThat's fair enough. Depends what we mean by 'laziness'. Some people say they could not have a kid and succeed in life. I would consider that lazy (or 'slothful'😉, because having a kid and succeeding is entirely viable.
I can understand your personal wish in that case, and I can understand the anger at people who have something you want and can't have as well. I guess for me I don't really believe there are many abortions performed due to what I would call "laziness" or just because they "want to", although even if that was the case, I would not share your condemnation of them to the same degree.
I think having a kid can certainly make it significantly harder to succeed in your goals, especially if your circumstances were already not very favorable.
In theory I do agree that we should do things to decrease abortion, while keeping them easily accessible anyways. Things like government child support, a strong welfare state, a good foster care system availability of free, good childcare facilities, availability of free contraception and good, mandatory sexual education in schools.
Originally posted by ArtolI wholeheartedly socialistically agree with you on that.
I think having a kid can certainly make it significantly harder to succeed in your goals, especially if your circumstances were already not very favorable.In theory I do agree that we should do things to decrease abortion, while keeping them easily accessible anyways. Things like government child support, a strong welfare state, a good foster care system availability of free, good childcare facilities, availability of free contraception and good, mandatory sexual education in schools.
The problem with a lot of anti-abortion arguments is that they do not take into account these kind of post-birth economic circumstances.