Originally posted by Klaw
Explain?Seriously?
Yeah, I thought that was common knowledge here.
He has praised Marx before and talked about how "there are bad kinds of communism but there are also good kinds of communism" lol. 😂
It's like saying, "there are bad kinds of shit sandwiches but there also good kinds of shit sandwiches" lol.
Originally posted by KlawWe don't disagree as much as you think. In an ideal world people should be judged as individuals.
So you and I are going to disagree here.But I don't believe in group rights like transrights or Womens rights.
People should be treated as individuals and individuals have rights.
I'm curious as to what you think is a trans right?
We don't live in an ideal world though. Thus the need to fight for the rights of various groups.
Trying to dismiss the need to defend the rights of groups because of the group they fall into is just plain ignoring reality for the no reason.
Originally posted by Newjak
We don't disagree as much as you think. In an ideal world people should be judged as individuals.We don't live in an ideal world though. Thus the need to fight for the rights of various groups.
Trying to dismiss the need to defend the rights of groups because of the group they fall into is just plain ignoring reality for the no reason.
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Originally posted by BlakemoreThat doesn't lend you a lot of authority on biology of humans lol.
my degree was in film studies, scribble can confirm this because he saw it on my wall. One of the modules was about representation of minorities, blacks, women, gays and trans.
Seriously though for one biology is pretty gnarly when it comes to things like sex. Things like when a fetus changes from female to male can have drastic effects on the hormones that person despite what genitals they might be born with.
So the idea sex will always be binary is a very limited view of the whole process and I know how complicated it is and I'm not even an expert in it.
You're also generally confusing gender and sex. No one is saying that transwomen are the exact same as natural born women. It's more of discussion of how they identify in terms of gender norms in society. At least that's how most trans people I know approach the conversation.
Basically they're women just like any other women would be in our social construct of gender. The only difference is you seem to care more about they were born with between their legs and the person it was attached to.
Originally posted by Newjak
We don't disagree as much as you think. In an ideal world people should be judged as individuals.We don't live in an ideal world though. Thus the need to fight for the rights of various groups.
Trying to dismiss the need to defend the rights of groups because of the group they fall into is just plain ignoring reality for the no reason.
I'll give an example of what I mean.
I'm pro-choice, I get that it's a thing that is unique to Women.
However, the reason why I'm pro-choice is this.
Does a person have the right to determine what happens to their body regardless of what anyone else thinks?
The answer for me is yes.
Therefore I'm in favor of abortion.
I think to your point about group rights is the reality today.
And I think putting people into groups and then assigning those groups rights is exactly the problem.
Originally posted by KlawThat's a bastardized way of taking what I said.
I'll give an example of what I mean.I'm pro-choice, I get that it's a thing that is unique to Women.
However, the reason why I'm pro-choice is this.
Does a person have the right to determine what happens to their body regardless of what anyone else thinks?
The answer for me is yes.
Therefore I'm in favor of abortion.
I think to your point about group rights is the reality today.
And I think putting people into groups and then assigning those groups rights is exactly the problem.
It's not about ensuring they have more rights than anyone else because of the group they're in. It's about making sure they have the same chances as everyone and they won't be discriminated against because they belong to certain groups.
The problem is and has always been that people will try to take away rights from people because they belong to a certain group.
To pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.
Originally posted by Newjak
That's a bastardized way of taking what I said.It's not about ensuring they have more rights than anyone else because of the group they're in. It's about making sure they have the same chances as everyone and they won't be discriminated against because they belong to certain groups.
I agree with the intentions.
I do not with the way it's being handled via putting people in groups and giving those groups rights.
The problem is and has always been that people will try to take away rights from people because they belong to a certain group.
I agree with this assessment.
We should move away from putting people into groups and treat everyone as individuals.
To pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.
I agree the reality is what you say it is.
We can do better though.
Originally posted by KlawThe problem is trying to move to a generic treat everyone the same actually enables more discrimination because at risk groups don't receive the same level care.
I agree with the intentions.I do not with the way it's being handled via putting people in groups and giving those groups rights.
I agree with this assessment.
We should move away from putting people into groups and treat everyone as individuals.
I agree the reality is what you say it is.
We can do better though.
You can look at the house loans for minorities throughout the previous decades. By all the accounts the laws say that all people should be treated with the same care but people circumvented it by just denying loans to the groups they didn't like.
This caused entire generations of African Americans to not be able to start building generational wealth because they couldn't get homes.
While the ideal is what you're proposing you can't just ignore what's happening now.
Originally posted by Newjak
The problem is trying to move to a generic treat everyone the same actually enables more discrimination because at risk groups don't receive the same level care.You can look at the house loans for minorities throughout the previous decades. By all the accounts the laws say that all people should be treated with the same care but people circumvented it by just denying loans to the groups they didn't like.
This caused entire generations of African Americans to not be able to start building generational wealth because they get homes.
While the ideal is what you're proposing you can't just ignore what's happening now.
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Originally posted by Newjakan embryo can change sex?
That doesn't lend you a lot of authority on biology of humans lol.Seriously though for one biology is pretty gnarly when it comes to things like sex. Things like when a fetus changes from female to male can have drastic effects on the hormones that person despite what genitals they might be born with.
So the idea sex will always be binary is a very limited view of the whole process and I know how complicated it is and I'm not even an expert in it.
You're also generally confusing gender and sex. No one is saying that transwomen are the exact same as natural born women. It's more of discussion of how they identify in terms of gender norms in society. At least that's how most trans people I know approach the conversation.
Basically they're women just like any other women would be in our social construct of gender. The only difference is you seem to care more about they were born with between their legs and the person it was attached to.
Originally posted by Scribble
I don't hold anything against you, Whirly. However, I do think you being friends with Blakemore is hypocritical. I think if Blake had said "I don’t like women / black / gay people" and then spouted off ill-informed bigotry, you wouldn't be defending him. You all let him into your circle on the promise that he wasn't a bigot anymore, but he is, but not the kind you care about. My assertion that your group of friends on KMC are friendly to and supportive of transphobes and anti-trans bigotry is absolutely irrefutable in light of Blakemore's comments.Just to be entirely clear about the Nazism on the Discord, to use the best of my memory, they seemed to be unfamiliar users (at least by Discord name) who may have reached the Discord by other means, or else I'd just never heard of them on KMC. It was mostly that Kekistani alt-right kind of vibe. Edgy racist stuff with imperial-esque imagery. They didn't post much and were mostly ignored. The general vibe there is more just mainstream conservatism, which I do not like either.
There were many more issues than just that by the time I left.
Now do Surtur and his homophobia, misogyny, racism, and transphobia. You know, since you are totally consistent, and not a giant hypocrite for defending him, because he let you in his group, so they could use you as a human shield.
Originally posted by Scribble
For the record as well, I don't think the main people on the Discord are terrible monsters or anything. I don't really hold grudges anymore, it's a waste of time. I think KMC is generally a very toxic place, and it only makes sense that an offshoot would be, too. Different strains of similarly potent poison vying for toxic dominance.
By your own admission, you left the Discord, because most if not all of the people there were transphobic, racist, and misogynistic, and some were open Nazis, but they are not monsters, and KMC is more toxic? **** you, stupid.
Originally posted by BlakemoreTechnically we all start off as females in terms of how we are despite what our chromosomes are.
an embryo can change sex?
At some point if you're born with the genetics to become male then the male organs will start develop. This isn't an exact process so sometimes the male parts will start to form later and this can have impact on how that person will develop.
I don't the exact mechanisms behind it but this can lead to different levels of hormones within the body.
Originally posted by Klaw
I agree with the intentions.I do not with the way it's being handled via putting people in groups and giving those groups rights.
I agree with this assessment.
We should move away from putting people into groups and treat everyone as individuals.
I agree the reality is what you say it is.
We can do better though.
Oh, Eon. 🙁