3 stabbed dead in UK park

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
@DarthThor: Yes, I agree that many atrocities throughout history have been committed in the name of Christ but I highly doubt those who carried them out truly were saved/filled with the Holy Spirit. Jesus Himself certainly never would've condoned any of those horrible acts.

Anyone can call themselves a Christian but it doesn't mean they actually are one. The Bible says that we will know them by their fruit. People who callously slaughter other human beings in cold blood are not bearing good fruit.

For example, despite what those on the left try to get people to believe, Hitler was about as far from being a Christian as a person could possibly be. He actually secretly hated Christianity.

I never said otherwise. But the exact same applies to Muslims who commit those kind of crimes.

Contrary to common belief amongst conservatives, Muhmmad did not allow the killing of women, children or the elderly during warfare. That's pretty clear.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not really, no. Facts matter.

And if you're going to decide motives based on racial profiles, then you might as well just come out and admit that it's not muslims you're against or afraid of, but people of a particular race.

Or just admit it was wrong of you to jump to conclusions without the full facts.

"By far the predominant religion in Libya is Islam with 97% of the population associating with the faith." Source: http://muslimpopulation.com/africa/Libya/Religion%20in%20Libya.php

It was a completely warranted assumption based on previous similar attacks.

Originally posted by Scribble
We didn't have any facts at that point, it was speculation. There have been many Islamic terrorist attacks in the UK in the past few years. The attacker was Libyan.

"By far the predominant religion in Libya is Islam with 97% of the population associating with the faith." Source: http://muslimpopulation.com/africa/Libya/Religion%20in%20Libya.php

It was a completely warranted assumption based on previous similar attacks.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Because he says he was a Christian laughing out loud if you believe that you’re a phucking idiot.

LMAO Do you ask for proof when they call themselves muslims?

You're showing no sense here at all.

Sure it COULD HAVE been a ruse. But until that's proven, there's literally no reason not to accept what his family says about what his faith was.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
So out of a full park of people he knew who was gay , are you that retarded? And we know what Islamic follower think about gay people.

No you're retarded claiming the victims being white people makes this guy an Islamist and not a Christian.

Oh and there's nothing in the bible against being gay is there? Another thoughtless argument.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
They know enough to call it terrorism and not just murdered and the previous evidence backs it up.

It took them a while to decide that. And they still haven't made the motive clear.

However Muslim or Christian, the guy was still from Libya. A place we invaded only a few years back.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
MP Jo Cox was killed by a far right but job that’s it. Yeah gang stabbing not acts of terror on innocent people not to mention the bombings killing kids at a concert or a public bus.

Ah right, so when it's far right it's just a nut job, but when they are muslims it's the norm right? Gotcha.

Quit assuming gang stabbing are thugs against thugs. Plenty of inncents get stabbed to.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Again mentioning Christianity to justify something to means nothing as they are as bad in general.

And yet you're still assuming this guy who calls himself a Christian is actually a Muslim. Sure.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
We both know deep down you don’t condemn it as you’ve already said you don’t care for this country or anything it represents. You are appalled at anyone who shows any pride in been white as it auto makes them racist in your eyes. I bet you’re one of the people that boo and spit at returning soldiers.

I've said nothing of the sort. I'll assume this is just your white supremacist propaganda.

It's more likely you're that racist Patrick Hutchinson had to intervene to stop getting beaten up, but couldn't even be bothered to thank him because of his skin colour. Or you're at least someone like minded. He was a retired police officer. I guess that means he was there with the best of intentions right? Lmao

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Mentally Ill people as I suggested do this sort of thing more often than any other group and cross racial/religious boundaries. To be honest most of the far right killers are also nutty, they are all as Bannon has stated easy to radicalise online.

So whilst this case was likely mostly centred around mental illness and perhaps homophobia ("[the] three victims – James Furlong, Joe Ritchie-Bennett and David Wails – were friends and members of the LGBT community"😉, as a Londoner I've become quite used to assuming these kinds of attacks are acts of Islamic terror, and 9/10 times I'm correct. Those odds seem fair to me, if I assumed they were all mental health-related, I'd be wrong 9/10 times instead of correct.

Source for quote: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/reading-attack-suspect-ruled-out-as-possible-terrorist-twice-in-two-years/ar-BB15SVpD

Originally posted by Insane Titan
[B]yes you did , you said it was far right turning to defend the statues, don’t backtrack now coward. So they should just let them be pulled down ? Because the memory of the fallen isn’t worth much to you?

Insure ! No it’s called having respect for people who died for our and their freedom. Something a hipster like you would never understand./B]

Unlike you I don't 100% generalise. But they mostly were there for that.

And I claimed people like Tommy Robinson putting a call out to defend the statues was a call for the far right to clash against BLM.

Nah you have no respect for them. In fact you spit in the face of what they stand for.

The statues didn't need white supremacists like you defending them. They were already bordered up. Like I said a million times, it was the job of the police. Not the job of insecure white folk who can't stand the term Black Lives Matter.

Originally posted by Scribble
We didn't have any facts at that point, it was speculation. There have been many Islamic terrorist attacks in the UK in the past few years. The attacker was Libyan.

"By far the predominant religion in Libya is Islam with 97% of the population associating with the faith." Source: http://muslimpopulation.com/africa/Libya/Religion%20in%20Libya.php

It was a completely warranted assumption based on previous similar attacks.

There have been many stabbings every year by all sorts of individuals.

You guys were on this before it was even labelled a terror attack.

If you were to assume, yes more chance of him being Muslim. What you don't seem to get though is that you shouldn't have assumed. Still wouldn't mean he did it for Islam, and not because he was mentally ill.

You simply racially profiled him when you should have waited for the facts.

And your very argument here suggests you think it's perfectly okay for you to racially profile instead of waiting for the facts. You were going on about banning muslim immigration.

And that's where your being against muslims starts to get racist, whether you are aware of it or not.

Originally posted by Scribble
That doesn't apply to every major terror attack that's happened in the UK in the past decade, though. They were all Islamic terror attacks.

So whilst this case was likely mostly centred around mental illness and perhaps homophobia ("[the] three victims – James Furlong, Joe Ritchie-Bennett and David Wails – were friends and members of the LGBT community"😉, as a Londoner I've become quite used to assuming these kinds of attacks are acts of Islamic terror, and 9/10 times I'm correct. Those odds seem fair to me, if I assumed they were all mental health-related, I'd be wrong 9/10 times instead of correct.

Source for quote: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/reading-attack-suspect-ruled-out-as-possible-terrorist-twice-in-two-years/ar-BB15SVpD

Originally posted by Darth Thor
There have been many stabbings every year by all sorts of individuals.

You guys were on this before it was even labelled a terror attack.

If you were to assume, yes more chance of him being Muslim. What you don't seem to get though is that you shouldn't have assumed. Still wouldn't mean he did it for Islam, and not because he was mentally ill.

You simply racially profiled him when you should have waited for the facts.

And your very argument here suggests you think it's perfectly okay for you to racially profile instead of waiting for the facts. You were going on about banning muslim immigration.

And that's where your being against muslims starts to get racist, whether you are aware of it or not.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
There have been many stabbings every year by all sorts of individuals.

You guys were on this before it was even labelled a terror attack.

If you were to assume, yes more chance of him being Muslim. What you don't seem to get though is that you shouldn't have assumed. Still wouldn't mean he did it for Islam, and not because he was mentally ill.

You simply racially profiled him when you should have waited for the facts.

And your very argument here suggests you think it's perfectly okay for you to racially profile instead of waiting for the facts. You were going on about banning muslim immigration.

And that's where your being against muslims starts to get racist, whether you are aware of it or not.

There's nothing to learn from this. The next time something like this happens, I will assume it to be an Islamic terrorist attack, and the chances are that I'll be correct. Being wrong here is the exception, and a great many miles from the rule.

I still hate what's happening to my country with mass immigration, regardless of this event's impact on it; and, in fact, it doesn't matter what religion this man was, mass immigration was still the root cause of the innocent lives lost.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Joe Cox wasn't or wasn't that a major one. Probably the biggest shooting spree was the guy up north with his list.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
yeah, they racially profiled him.

The chances of the killer being Muslim were staggering high, and the attack was reminiscent of other recent attacks. It was fair and understandable, if ultimately incorrect, to assume he was Muslim.

It wasn't racial profiling, it was a case of incredibly simple common sense being wrong.

As I said before, I've assumed before and was almost always correct, I'll assume the same next time, and I'll probably be correct. I was correct when I lived through the 7/7 attacks, I was correct when I heard about the Manchester bombing, I was correct when I heard about the London Bridge attack, and I was correct countless of other times. Being wrong once doesn't shatter my basis of assumptions, nor should it: it's a reasonable and usually correct assumption to make in the current state of the UK.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
LMAO Do you ask for proof when they call themselves muslims?

You're showing no sense here at all.

Sure it COULD HAVE been a ruse. But until that's proven, there's literally no reason not to accept what his family says about what his faith was.

No you're retarded claiming the victims being white people makes this guy an Islamist and not a Christian.

Oh and there's nothing in the bible against being gay is there? Another thoughtless argument.

It took them a while to decide that. And they still haven't made the motive clear.

However Muslim or Christian, the guy was still from Libya. A place we invaded only a few years back.

Ah right, so when it's far right it's just a nut job, but when they are muslims it's the norm right? Gotcha.

Quit assuming gang stabbing are thugs against thugs. Plenty of inncents get stabbed to.

And yet you're still assuming this guy who calls himself a Christian is actually a Muslim. Sure.

I've said nothing of the sort. I'll assume this is just your white supremacist propaganda.

It's more likely you're that racist Patrick Hutchinson had to intervene to stop getting beaten up, but couldn't even be bothered to thank him because of his skin colour. Or you're at least someone like minded. He was a retired police officer. I guess that means he was there with the best of intentions right? Lmao

No because they say they are. And if you’re stupid enough to believe a lie that he’s a Christian than that’s your fault.

Then why did he kill anyone of any colour other than white, he had a full park of mixed ppl to choose from.

Did say there wasn’t? Christianity has relaxed its stance of homosexuals compared to Muslims.

He was a nut job who killed a single person and motives wasn’t religion based.

Vast majority are thugs vs thugs and the innocents who get killed by stabbing is down to muggings etc by thugs. Not remotely the same thing as killing someone because you don’t like their beliefs or they way they live.

Yeah I am as I’m not stupid enough to believe that BS.

White supremacist 😂 give over you complete and utter coward. You’ve already said its wrong to be proud to be white or English because ugh NAZI. I have black lads working for me as scaffolders and black mates you muppet and as I’ve said my step son is gay so any type of label you try to use won’t stick .unlike you left wet c*nt I actually stand for something , whilst you don’t unless it makes you look like the good guy.

Originally posted by Scribble
'Libyan' isn't a race, it's not even necessarily an ethnicity (someone could come from Libya and not be ethnically Libyan, they could be ethnically Egyptian or Algerian, for example). 97% of people from Libya are Muslim.

The chances of the killer being Muslim were staggering high, and the attack was reminiscent of other recent attacks. It was fair and understandable, if ultimately incorrect, to assume he was Muslim.

It wasn't racial profiling, it was a case of incredibly simple common sense being wrong.

As I said before, I've assumed before and was almost always correct, I'll assume the same next time, and I'll probably be correct. I was correct when I lived through the 7/7 attacks, I was correct when I heard about the Manchester bombing, I was correct when I heard about the London Bridge attack, and I was correct countless of other times. Being wrong once doesn't shatter my basis of assumptions, nor should it: it's a reasonable and usually correct assumption to make in the current state of the UK.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Unlike you I don't 100% generalise. But they mostly were there for that.

And I claimed people like Tommy Robinson putting a call out to defend the statues was a call for the far right to clash against BLM.

Nah you have no respect for them. In fact you spit in the face of what they stand for.

The statues didn't need white supremacists like you defending them. They were already bordered up. Like I said a million times, it was the job of the police. Not the job of insecure white folk who can't stand the term Black Lives Matter.

No it was a call to defend history and honour of dead soldiers.

I have more respect than you ever will boy. Come back when I think you should defend their memories.

Again because the police did a great job before right? So the BLM can’t take the boards off 😂

If you hate everything about england claiming anyone having any national pride is a white supremest which you keep crying about, why not leave?

It’s got nothing to do with BLM , if that’s the case why wasn’t there trouble when the BLM protests happened when no memorials weren’t damaged ?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
its a nationality with a mainly african arabic muslim makeup. However I have stated they have orthodoxy there. Your splitting hairs, he wasn't in Libya. I've been there a few times btw.

I won't deny that I was wrong, because clearly in this case I was, but I'm not going to concede that my process of elimination was rooted in any inherent racial bias. It was assumptive, but I wouldn't say egregiously so.

I'm only talking for myself — certainly not for others here.

Unrelated question: how is Libya? I've never been to the area, but I hear Tunisia is pretty nice.

Originally posted by Scribble
I'm not splitting hairs, I'm pointing out that it wasn't racial profiling, it was simply the act of hearing what country he was from, knowing that country is mostly Muslim, and linking it to the many Islamic attacks the UK has seen in the past number of years.

I won't deny that I was wrong, because clearly in this case I was, but I'm not going to concede that my process of elimination was rooted in any inherent racial bias. It was assumptive, but I wouldn't say egregiously so.

I'm only talking for myself — certainly not for others here.

Unrelated question: how is Libya? I've never been to the area, but I hear Tunisia is pretty nice.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
yeah you do , from the very start. The soldiers were there the day after it got vandalised and from then on.

Well that's different and a point you missed out the first time.

But you're jumping through hoops to try and catch me out yet failing.

Because you know very well I was talking about the far right call to defend the statues on that particular weekend which the media and police were excpecting riots from. And that's exactly what happened.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
No it was a call to defend history and honour of dead soldiers.

Nah was a far right call due to butthurt over BLM.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
I have more respect than you ever will boy. Come back when I think you should defend their memories.

Nah you outright admitted all you wanted was the right to march being proud to be white.

You didn't need to say anymore than that to give away your true agenda.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Again because the police did a great job before right? So the BLM can’t take the boards off laughing out loud

Was the Churchill statue still there or not? How many were taken down?

Again your far right "help" wasn't welcome by police on that weekend. All you did was cause riots.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
If you hate everything about england claiming anyone having any national pride is a white supremest which you keep crying about, why not leave?

Where did I say I hate ANYthing about England let alone EVERYthing?

No YOURS is Pride at being WHITE.

You asking me to leave assuming Im not white is just another example of your white nationalism.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
It’s got nothing to do with BLM , if that’s the case why wasn’t there trouble when the BLM protests happened when no memorials weren’t damaged ?

Says you who posted a video by Tomy Robinson going on about how corrupt the BLM movement is, and claiming he didn't say anything wrong at all.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
You are splitting hairs mate.

I didn't racially profile the attacker as I came from a more rational perspective than that, which I have quite clearly explained, imo.

Originally posted by Scribble
Everybody assumes things about breaking stories. Everybody on this forum assumes things about breaking stories on a regular basis. Is it 'wrong'? It can be. But I highly doubt you're innocent of that. It's fine to be wrong once in a while, though.

There's nothing to learn from this. The next time something like this happens, I will assume it to be an Islamic terrorist attack, and the chances are that I'll be correct. Being wrong here is the exception, and a great many miles from the rule.

I still hate what's happening to my country with mass immigration, regardless of this event's impact on it; and, in fact, it doesn't matter what religion this man was, mass immigration was still the root cause of the innocent lives lost.

Then make it about mass immigration and not about muslim immigration. You got Brexit, you're getting the Australian based points system. But it's not enough. Will a muslim ban be enough? I doubt it.

But would be pretty hypocritical of us not to take on Libyan refugees after we go screw up their country by invading.

Unfortunately that can also give motivation to attack us.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Then make it about mass immigration and not about muslim immigration. You got Brexit, you're getting the Australian based points system. But it's not enough. Will a muslim ban be enough? I doubt it.

But would be pretty hypocritical of us not to take on Libyan refugees after we go screw up their country by invading.

Unfortunately that can also give motivation to attack us.