Canada may be about to try an Incel as a terrorist.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/01/canada-may-host-the-worlds-first-incel-show-trial/
Should they?
My thoughts are yes.
It also opens up questions about how he was radicalised on internet forums via Red and Black pillers.
What are your thoughts, terrorist or not?
What exactly would make him a terrorist? As the article stated, they hadn't found any premeditation or online postings hinting at violence as of yet. It seems, with the info we have, that some kid got pissed because he couldn't get sexual favors from a woman and killed her.
What is the benefit of labeling this terrorism?
Originally posted by socool8520if he was the only one going on these sites and then killing I'd agree and chalk it up to mental illness (which may still play a role). However since Rodgers so many have followed a similar pattern.
What exactly would make him a terrorist? As the article stated, they hadn't found any premeditation or online postings hinting at violence as of yet. It seems, with the info we have, that some kid got pissed because he couldn't get sexual favors from a woman and killed her.What is the benefit of labeling this terrorism?
I live in Canada and actually had not heard about this. I live only a few hours away from Toronto.
Not really sure about this being an act of terrorism, but my definition of terrorism is somewhat hazy. Either way, he's a piece of garbage that should be going away for a long time. I'm not sure about an act of terrorism, though.
Would his punishment be harsher if it was considered an act of terror?
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
if he was the only one going on these sites and then killing I'd agree and chalk it up to mental illness (which may still play a role). However since Rodgers so many have followed a similar pattern.
I don't think it's mental illness either. He's just a bad person who killed someone. Many people are upset that they can't get laid, but they don't go around killing people. This guy would have to be extremely schizophrenic or something like that for me to buy mental illness.
Originally posted by TrocityI don't know to be honest, I suspect his sentence might be used to regulate content if it is terrorism. Good to see you back btw.
I live in Canada and actually had not heard about this. I live only a few hours away from Toronto.Not really sure about this being an act of terrorism, but my definition of terrorism is somewhat hazy. Either way, he's a piece of garbage that should be going away for a long time. I'm not sure about an act of terrorism, though.
Would his punishment be harsher if it was considered an act of terror?
Originally posted by socool8520Dont you think getting that Angry shows an imbalance. I mean **** it we all get angry in relationships all the time be it romantic, work etc. If we killed the people who pissed us off we'd have no one left
I don't think it's mental illness either. He's just a bad person who killed someone. Many people are upset that they can't get laid, but they don't go around killing people. This guy would have to be extremely schizophrenic or something like that for me to buy mental illness.
Originally posted by Trocity
I live in Canada and actually had not heard about this. I live only a few hours away from Toronto.Not really sure about this being an act of terrorism, but my definition of terrorism is somewhat hazy. Either way, he's a piece of garbage that should be going away for a long time. I'm not sure about an act of terrorism, though.
Would his punishment be harsher if it was considered an act of terror?
Now that you said that, I do believe the penalties are more harsh if seen as terrorism. I still don't think we can just throw that out there.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Dont you think getting that Angry shows an imbalance. I mean **** it we all get angry in relationships all the time be it romantic, work etc. If we killed the people who pissed us off we'd have no one left
OK, but then by that logic, everyone who kills someone is mentally ill and thus there is no defense.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I don't know to be honest, I suspect his sentence might be used to regulate content if it is terrorism. Good to see you back btw.
Ahh, that is a good point. Good to be back, I pop in now and then to check things out but its mostly flaming and trolling now, something I am no longer particularly interested in partaking in haha.
Originally posted by socool8520
Now that you said that, I do believe the penalties are more harsh if seen as terrorism. I still don't think we can just throw that out there.
Interesting. If there is enough evidence for it then he should be but from reading the article I'm not so sure that I would classify this incident as an act of terror. I think he was most likely just a sicko.
Originally posted by socool8520Circumstance is always a defence, the heat of the moment, self defence even anger are defences. However, this, although I don't know all the details is a low threshold for such a reaction indicating mental instability, I read somewhere Steve Bannon aimed propaganda at these Incels because they are mentally weak. Thoughts mate?
OK, but then by that logic, everyone who kills someone is mentally ill and thus there is no defense.
It appears he hasn't actually been connected to the Incel community quite yet. Not that it lessens his act, but we throw around that term whenever some dude can't find romantic/sexual companionship. Incels are a pretty specific group.
Even Elliot Rodgers was mostly self-identified. I don't think he meaningfully participated in that subculture.
Here, it seems the far right uses propaganda to target Incels.
Originally posted by StyleTimealthough ST he did become a figurehead for them, and the propaganda seemed to trigger him.
It appears he hasn't actually been connected to the Incel community quite yet. Not that it lessens his act, but we throw around that term whenever some dude can't find romantic/sexual companionship. Incels are a pretty specific group.Even Elliot Rodgers was mostly self-identified. I don't think he meaningfully participated in that subculture.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Circumstance is always a defence, the heat of the moment, self defence even anger are defences. However, this, although I don't know all the details is a low threshold for such a reaction indicating mental instability, I read somewhere Steve Bannon aimed propaganda at these Incels because they are mentally weak. Thoughts mate?
This would clearly fall into the anger category. He didn't get what he wanted so he acted in anger. I'm sure he was quite sane when he decided to kill the women that embarrassed/rebuffed him.
They more than likely are mentally weak, but not mentally ill.
Originally posted by socool8520I'm going to say most crimes of passion involve the emotionally stunted and prone to stalk. They tend to follow patterns of behaviour which range from unstable to full on notion. But, we can't be sure he is or isn't. I agree the mental weakness is probably what puts them on the fringes and makes them needy.
This would clearly fall into the anger category. He didn't get what he wanted so he acted in anger. I'm sure he was quite sane when he decided to kill the women that embarrassed/rebuffed him.They more than likely are mentally weak, but not mentally ill.