This Warren Ellis stuff?
I'm still unsure what he did wrong, but he apologised for it. I'm a big fan and I did meet him briefly a few times. What do others think of this?
This Warren Ellis stuff?
I'm still unsure what he did wrong, but he apologised for it. I'm a big fan and I did meet him briefly a few times. What do others think of this?
This might get a bigger response in the comic forums. That said, I would actually like to use this thread to show people it's okay to be nuanced or even confused about a matter, without polarizing or demonizing an ideology. This aspect of male/female sexual power dynamics is something I'm also trying to digest.
So, as I understand it, the argument goes somewhat like this: As your power in a particular industry goes, you have a responsibility not to manipulate those under you for things like sex. Despite giving their consent, someone with less power than you could feel like they need to do things they normally wouldn't, in fear of what happens to them if they decline. Cool. I get that.
Where I start getting confused is the extent to which this applies. Any interaction between humans includes power disparities. Can people only bang someone who makes within 500$ of them? Do they need equivalent job titles? Do we even control for height? Attractivenes? Fighting skill? All these things cause power imbalances too.
Sure, serial emotional coercion is a thing. And it appears Ellis may have done this to underage girls as well. That's not good. We're still learning about what happened in most of this, so I can't speak absolutely. That said, I don't know if banging your artist hire is automatically immoral. It's possible to desire someone under you and still respect them. Maybe we should also devote some energy towards learning how to properly navigate these situations sexually too?
Originally posted by StyleTimeSo it's a power imbalance thing ST, but women usually marry upwards. I wasn't aware of the underage aspect I must have missed that. Did he meet any or was it all online. Anybody know? And as usually I'm on the same page as you pretty much in all points.
This might get a bigger response in the comic forums. That said, I would actually like to use this thread to show people it's okay to be nuanced or even confused about a matter, without polarizing or demonizing an ideology. This aspect of male/female sexual power dynamics is something I'm also trying to digest.So, as I understand it, the argument goes somewhat like this: As your power in a particular industry goes, you have a responsibility not to manipulate those under you for things like sex. Despite giving their consent, someone with less power than you could feel like they need to do things they normally wouldn't, in fear of what happens to them if they decline. Cool. I get that.
Where I start getting confused is the extent to which this applies. Any interaction between humans includes power disparities. Can people only bang someone who makes within 500$ of them? Do they need equivalent job titles? Do we even control for height? Attractivenes? Fighting skill? All these things cause power imbalances too.
Sure, serial emotional coercion is a thing. And it appears Ellis may have done this to underage girls as well. That's not good. We're still learning about what happened in most of this, so I can't speak absolutely. That said, I don't know if banging your artist is immoral. It's possible to desire someone under you and still respect them. Maybe we should also devote some energy towards learning how to properly navigate these situations sexually too?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWI mean his work is superb. Second only to Moore for consistent quality and innovation. I know someone will say Morrison is better, but not in my honest opinion Stilt.
👆This.
Exactly this.
As for Ellis, can't really comment, since I was always interested only in his work, not his private life.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWhaha erection in public... newsflash Stilt, it is already mate if you don't have your pants on. 😛
I have a feeling this is another pathetic #metoo attempt at starting shit for no reason.Trying to make every male seem as guilty as Harvey Weinstein, if not more.
Soon, it will be illegal to have an erection in public and I won't be able to leave my house biscuits
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2020/06/warren-ellis-and-charles-brownstein-face-public-reckonings-for-alleged-sexually-predatory-behaviour/I'm still unsure what he did wrong, but he apologised for it. I'm a big fan and I did meet him briefly a few times. What do others think of this?
Do you think any of the long long list of allegations covers any grey areas?
As in, there actually was some mutual attraction at first, but they were really using each other, and want to hurt each other from the fallout as bitter breakups do?
I'm not questioning that predatory behavior did happen, or even that it was common. Just thinking about how I've seen relationships play out over the years, and how low people will sink to hurt someone they thought they loved..
Originally posted by cdtmI'm going to disagree and say love and hate are very close. I dont think people hurt people they thought they loved. I think more often they hurt people that they did love and that love has become hate, usually temporarily because they did and in some way still do love them and still want to be part of their lives. It is possible that is a motivation.
Do you think any of the long long list of allegations covers any grey areas?As in, there actually was some mutual attraction at first, but they were really using each other, and want to hurt each other from the fallout as bitter breakups do?
I'm not questioning that predatory behavior did happen, or even that it was common. Just thinking about how I've seen relationships play out over the years, and how low people will sink to hurt someone they thought they loved..
Originally posted by Adam_PoE😂
Flirt with disaster if you like. I hope it works out for you.
Originally posted by dadudemonActually both fair stances. If everyone was incorruptible and driven by moral purpose, I'd be with DDM as it is in the real world Adam makes sense.
The 1950s just tweeted that they want their dictatorial management style back from you.
Re: This Warren Ellis stuff?
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!have you seen what’s happening to a youtuber called angry Joe?
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2020/06/warren-ellis-and-charles-brownstein-face-public-reckonings-for-alleged-sexually-predatory-behaviour/I'm still unsure what he did wrong, but he apologised for it. I'm a big fan and I did meet him briefly a few times. What do others think of this?
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!Talk a look at this and see what you think. Basically it’s the #metoo Cancel culture
nope, what's that mate.
Originally posted by Insane TitanI'm not alone so I can't watch youtube really. No headphones on me. Will watch at some point in the next 24 mate.
Talk a look at this and see what you think. Basically it’s the #metoo Cancel culture
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Flirt with disaster if you like. I hope it works out for you.
18+ years, thousands of employees over those 18 years, and multiple workplace awards...
I'm doing okay. 👆
If you keep holding on to archaic beliefs about the work place, it's the best way to ensure you experience turn-over which is a very expensive part of HRM.
A good people managers leverages multiple avenues for how to engage their employees. That includes 1 on 1s, group discussion, anonymous surveys, "no work allowed" sponsored lunches, etc. etc. etc.
Maintaining the rigid hierarchical dictatorial structures of yesteryear are surefire ways of having atrocious attrition. This is the basis of much of Human Capital research in the 2010s and this type of research continues. Why? Because, often, organizations largest costs are 'People.' Even in organizations which have extreme amounts of capital expansion projects people are still in the top 3 for costs.
But what are these managerial skills that retain employees, make them feel valued, and welcome? They are called People Management Skills.
And there is extensive research on this.
This particular study did a very good job of exploring this as it specifically applies to attrition and they even controlled for causally confounding variables (the bane of this kind of research):
Our first main finding, presented in Section 4, is that people management skills have a strong negative relation to employee attrition. Increasing a manager’s people management skills from the 10th to the 90th percentile predicts a 60% reduction in turnover....
Still, the question remains whether these results are causal. Even for our IV estimates,
there are concerns about non-contemporaneous measurement error in people management skills that is correlated with employee attrition, as well as concerns that the firm optimally sorts managers and employees together. We address these using multiple identification strategies, some similar to those in the teacher VA literature (Chetty et al., 2014). Our first strategy analyzes outcomes of employees who join mid-way through our sample, using a manager’s quality measured before an employee joins the firm as an IV. This addresses concern about non-permanent, unobservable shocks affecting turnover and manager ratings, and reduces concern that the results are driven by the firm sorting managers and employees based on long-time information about the employee. Our second strategy additionally analyzes instances of workers switching managers, allowing us to test for non-random assignment of managers and workers, and to analyze how the impact of people management skills varies based on time together between a manager and employee. Our third strategy exploits managers moving across locations or job functions within the firm, allowing us to address more permanent unobservables as well as to rule out assignment bias. All strategies point to people management skills having a strong, causal effect on attrition....
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Actually both fair stances. If everyone was incorruptible and driven by moral purpose, I'd be with DDM as it is in the real world Adam makes sense.
Very fair of you and I appreciate you objectively approaching this topic. 👆
You have quite a bit of experience in the people management area, over your career, so you'd see what works and what doesn't.