Originally posted by dadudemonI'll be honest DDM careers are one conversation at a time going up. I'm careful to keep distance, I suspect you are too.
Very fair of you and I appreciate you objectively approaching this topic. 👆You have quite a bit of experience in the people management area, over your career, so you'd see what works and what doesn't.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I'll be honest DDM careers are one conversation at a time going up. I'm careful to keep distance, I suspect you are too.
I don't understand your response to me as I don't know what it is you're actually trying to tell me.
It would probably all make sense if I knew what this meant:
...careers are one conversation at a time going up...
What does this mean?
Originally posted by dadudemono.k. it the workplace your career is one conversation at a time usually with your direct line manager. It's O.K. to be friends with your boss, but rarely with your subordinates.
I don't understand your response to me as I don't know what it is you're actually trying to tell me.It would probably all make sense if I knew what this meant:
What does this mean?
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I mean his work is superb. Second only to Moore for consistent quality and innovation. I know someone will say Morrison is better, but not in my honest opinion Stilt.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
So it's a power imbalance thing ST, but women usually marry upwards. I wasn't aware of the underage aspect I must have missed that. Did he meet any or was it all online. Anybody know? And as usually I'm on the same page as you pretty much in all points.
As for Ellis specifically, I still am getting a lot of vague references and not many detailed accusations. It doesn't appear he's in legal trouble, so much as people are raising awareness I guess. He stated he didn't consider himself famous enough to have that sway over women he's engaged with, but has apologized for not recognizing his power.
The underage girls were apparently groomed? Again, nothing illegal, but I think he's accused of texting or talking with young female fans/aspiring artists and then bangs them once they reach adulthood. Still lack details on that though.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Soon, it will be illegal to have an erection in public and I won't be able to leave my house biscuits
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Or one can simply avoid all of this conflict by not shitting where he eats. Do not fraternize with people over which you have decision-making authority. Problem solved.
From what I hear, Lena Dunham had this as a subplot in GIRLS too? I never watched the show, so I don't know.
Originally posted by dadudemon
18+ years, thousands of employees over those 18 years, and multiple workplace awards...I'm doing okay. 👆
If you keep holding on to archaic beliefs about the work place, it's the best way to ensure you experience turn-over which is a very expensive part of HRM.
A good people managers leverages multiple avenues for how to engage their employees. That includes 1 on 1s, group discussion, anonymous surveys, "no work allowed" sponsored lunches, etc. etc. etc.
Maintaining the rigid hierarchical dictatorial structures of yesteryear are surefire ways of having atrocious attrition. This is the basis of much of Human Capital research in the 2010s and this type of research continues. Why? Because, often, organizations largest costs are 'People.' Even in organizations which have extreme amounts of capital expansion projects people are still in the top 3 for costs.
But what are these managerial skills that retain employees, make them feel valued, and welcome? They are called People Management Skills.
And there is extensive research on this.
This particular study did a very good job of exploring this as it specifically applies to attrition and they even controlled for causally confounding variables (the bane of this kind of research):
TLDR.
As someone who has worked in Fortune 250 companies for 20 years, every single one of them has a non-fraternization policy. And as someone with his own side-business, who manages 300 people, I have the same policy.
I am not at my place of business to meet friends and lovers. I already have friends and lovers. As a person in a position of decision-making authority, it is not enough for there to be no impropriety, there cannot even be the appearance of impropriety.
The moment you fraternize with the people for whom you make decisions, your presumed objectivity becomes questionable. Did he get a promotion or raise based on his performance, or because of his personal relationship with the person making performance and compensation decisions outside of work?
Never mind the potential criminal or civil jeopardy you put yourself in when you make sexual advances towards a co-worker. You do not need to help someone build a case against you by lending their claims plausibility.
It clearly did not work out for Ellis, and it has pretty much never worked out for any man ever, but I am sure you will be different, because it will never happen to you.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2020/06/warren-ellis-and-charles-brownstein-face-public-reckonings-for-alleged-sexually-predatory-behaviour/I'm still unsure what he did wrong, but he apologised for it. I'm a big fan and I did meet him briefly a few times. What do others think of this?
Let me translate:
hoes be mad
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
o.k. it the workplace your career is one conversation at a time usually with your direct line manager. It's O.K. to be friends with your boss, but rarely with your subordinates.
Originally posted by Adam_PoEyeah, no fraternisation is relatively standard when you reach Senior Middle management, in leadership it has to be a no no.
TLDR.As someone who has worked in Fortune 250 companies for 20 years, every single one of them has a non-fraternization policy. And as someone with his own side-business, who manages 300 people, I have the same policy.
I am not at my place of business to meet friends and lovers. I already have friends and lovers. As a person in a position of decision-making authority, it is not enough for there to be no impropriety, there cannot even be the appearance of impropriety.
The moment you fraternize with the people for whom you make decisions, your presumed objectivity becomes questionable. Did he get a promotion or raise based on his performance, or because of his personal relationship with the person making performance and compensation decisions outside of work?
Never mind the potential criminal or civil jeopardy you put yourself in when you make sexual advances towards a co-worker. You do not need to help someone build a case against you by lending their claims plausibility.
It clearly did not work out for Ellis, and it has pretty much never worked out for any man ever, but I am sure you will be different, because it will never happen to you.
Originally posted by StyleTimeI read they pretty much were groupies... still not saying any of it is right.
The fact that Warren Ellis's brief run on Generation X turned a garbage series into something totally fantastic is a testament to his abilities. I love that he can inject social commentary into his work without sounding super cheesy.The "women marry upwards" thing is hyper complicated though, and might be a function of society. Some even argue men actively seek less powerful women as a function of power dynamics drilled into our heads from birth. I'm curious how the future of this goes, as more women have college degrees than men starting with the Millenials and onwards.
As for Ellis specifically, I still am getting a lot of vague references and not many detailed accusations. It doesn't appear he's in legal trouble, so much as people are raising awareness I guess. He stated he didn't consider himself famous enough to have that sway over women he's engaged with, but has apologized for not recognizing his power.
The underage girls were apparently groomed? Again, nothing illegal, but I think he's accused of texting or talking with young female fans/aspiring artists and then bangs them once they reach adulthood. Still lack details on that though.
They want to police our boners!
Possibly. I shit you not though, I've heard the argument that banging someone you don't have that authority over is still misconduct. Essentially, don't bang groupies if you're famous. Apparently, consent in these cases may not really be consent? It's what made me wonder how far this logic extends.
From what I hear, Lena Dunham had this as a subplot in GIRLS too? I never watched the show, so I don't know.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Possibly. I shit you not though, I've heard the argument that banging someone you don't have that authority over is still misconduct. Essentially, don't bang groupies if you're famous. Apparently, consent in these cases may not really be consent? It's what made me wonder how far this logic extends.From what I hear, Lena Dunham had this as a subplot in GIRLS too? I never watched the show, so I don't know.
The notion that any power imbalance negates consent is reductive, infantilizing nonsense.
What is more, a woman's greatest strength is her facade of weakness, and a man's greatest weakness is his facade of strength.
So what would constitute power for this purpose, and how would it even be quantified?
It is just an argument from certain people who want to abdicate responsibility for their choices, so they can blame their buyer's remorse on someone else.
Originally posted by Eon Blue#metoo I'm only being partially acerbic.
My only and singular statement on this: I hope Netflix continues with its Castlevania series. That’s all I care about here.
Originally posted by Adam_PoEPretty much agree with all of that.
The notion that any power imbalance negates consent is reductive, infantilizing nonsense.What is more, a woman's greatest strength is her facade of weakness, and a man's greatest weakness is his facade of strength.
So what would constitute power for this purpose, and how would it even be quantified?
It is just an argument from certain people who want to abdicate responsibility for their choices, so they can blame their buyer's remorse on someone else.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I mean his work is superb. Second only to Moore for consistent quality and innovation. I know someone will say Morrison is better, but not in my honest opinion Stilt.
I agree with this. Morrison is a fan of Dadaism and likes crazy for crazy's sake. Ellis makes his crazy more coherent and grounded.