Originally posted by ScribbleWhere have you visited and lived in Africa? How many wars terrorists action and what I can only call genocides are you aware of going on right now? Tell me about the percentage of people in Nigeria in Poverty (clue it's proportionally higher than india). Yellow Fever and so many other diseases, dont get me started on Malaria and Boko haram, the slave trade in Niger, yes it still exists, I've stood in a slave market and watched etc etc etc... oh and drinking water.
"There are about a billion Africans in Africa and almost all of them would be better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety in Europe"This sounds very downbeat about Africa as a continent
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!Name the countries and cities (across the whole world) that you haven't been to or lived in, then every time you try to discuss politics relating to that place, I'll remind you that you shouldn't, as you've never been there.
Where have you visited and lived in Africa? How many wars terrorists action and what I can only call genocides are you aware of going on right now? Tell me about the percentage of people in Nigeria in Poverty (clue it's proportionally higher than india). Yellow Fever and so many other diseases, dont get me started on Malaria and Boko haram, the slave trade in Niger, yes it still exists, I've stood in a slave market and watched etc etc etc... oh and drinking water.
Originally posted by Scribblewhat are you talking about..? Somalia, Ethiopia, Rawanda, The Slaughter of Muslims by Christian's in CAR are recent stand outs. Seriously what is the point you are trying to make, someone in the North of Nigeria who is a survivor of a village attack from Boko Haram's dead family wouldn't have been safer in Guildford?
Name the countries and cities (across the whole world) that you haven't been to or lived in, then every time you try to discuss politics relating to that place, I'll remind you that you shouldn't, as you've never been there.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
what are you talking about..? Somalia, Ethiopia, Rawanda, The Slaughter of Muslims by Christian's in CAR are recent stand outs. Seriously what is the point you are trying to make, someone in the North of Nigeria who is a survivor of a village attack from Boko Haram's dead family wouldn't have been safer in Guildford.
Because Muslims has never slaughtered Christians?
Originally posted by Scribble
"There are about a billion Africans in Africa and almost all of them would be better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety in Europe" — that's awful. Africans deserve to have their own land and be happy and secure there, and then emigrate if they want, not just for safety. The fact that you think that depopulating Africa is a good idea is insane.I hate this image of Africa as this helpless, ravaged continent. Much of Africa is on the mend after a horrific era of colonial abuse, and I think that's awesome — and a lot of these countries are way more than just 'on the mend', they're starting to thrive. I hope for the day when European people want to move to Africa for opportunities, and I don't see it being that far off, we've already seen it for many other parts of the world.
As for this incident, it's greatly disheartening. From what I can tell it just sounds like a random outbreak of violence ('random' as in relatively random, i.e. non-ideological or religious or w/e). I hope the survivors are able to move past it, and that they find happiness and stability in this country.
I'm also glad that things are getting better in Africa. I hope they will continue, and I think that the US and Europe should both aid developments there. I'd say that the subjugation and exploitation of the African continent did not stop with the end of colonial rule. Cambridge economist Ha-Joon Chang lays out this argument very well in his book Bad Samaritans. In short he says that the western countries were able to implement beneficial trade agreements to themselves as well loosening or destroying protections of local businesses and people through usage of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and the World Trade Organization (WTO). He shows how generally fast growth in the countries falling victim to these impositions significantly slowed, often to half what it was before. So the successes in the third world are great, but they could have come much earlier if it wasn't for a covert form of economic colonialism implemented.
Originally posted by Artol422 million people live below the global poverty line in Africa. Or 70% of the continent. 15 countries are involved in some kind of war, dont get me started on disease and corruption. The grids in multiple countries have got worse even and inflation in Nigeria was through the roof before covid 19, then you have minor things like the south african xenophobia attacks and the Niger slave trade.
I'm also glad that things are getting better in Africa. I hope they will continue, and I think that the US and Europe should both aid developments there. I'd say that the subjugation and exploitation of the African continent did not stop with the end of colonial rule. Cambridge economist Ha-Joon Chang lays out this argument very well in his book Bad Samaritans. In short he says that the western countries were able to implement beneficial trade agreements to themselves as well loosening or destroying protections of local businesses and people through usage of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and the World Trade Organization (WTO). He shows how generally fast growth in the countries falling victim to these impositions significantly slowed, often to half what it was before. So the successes in the third world are great, but they could have come much earlier if it wasn't for a covert form of economic colonialism implemented.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
422 million people live below the global poverty line in Africa. Or 70% of the continent. 15 countries are involved in some kind of war, dont get me started on disease and corruption. The grids in multiple countries have got worse even and inflation in Nigeria was through the roof before covid 19, then you have minor things like the south african xenophobia attacks and the Niger slave trade.
Yeah. And global warming will hit many regions in Africa most significantly as well. I am pretty worried that even the gains that have been made will be lost.
Originally posted by ArtolTrust me the gains are not what people outside Africa think, honestly. And yes desertification is going to be a huge issue.
Yeah. And global warming will hit many regions in Africa most significantly as well. I am pretty worried that even the gains that have been made will be lost.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Trust me the gains are not what people outside Africa think, honestly. And yes desertification is going to be a huge issue.
Not just in Africa either, people in the west are constantly being told how much better everything is now, how the economy is so great, and all the gains that have been made, and yet they work zero hour contracts always being afraid to not be able to afford their next meal, or they get thrown out of their homes by council cuts or landlords taking advantage of runaway real estate prices. Or they work jobs they suspect are complete bullshit and don't understand why, never achieving any fulfillment. Or they have no more human connections in their life, only work and consumption, the public spheres having been mainly eliminated. Or they see their companies sponsor pride events, but then also contribute money to politicians that would just as well criminalize gay sex again.
I believe neoliberal capitalism has fundamentally failed humanity. And there is a happiness industry trying to tell us that the ruling classes pissing on us is actually sweet rain.