Why most Libertarians are a step away from the Alt lite

Many kinds of libertarian exist, which is why when a person says they are a libertarian they may well be alt lite in sheeps clothing, the same can be said for non progressive liberal, old fashioned liberal and classic Democrat, which is similar to present republican in the US. Libertarian conservatism advocates the greatest possible economic liberty and the least possible government regulation of social life, mirroring laissez-faire classical liberalism, but it harnesses this to a belief in a more social conservative philosophy emphasizing authority and duty. Not that liberal is it? Let's look at the libertarian left. Left libertarianism is a fairly recently coined term for a fairly old idea. Those people who embrace this view agree with other libertarians in holding that individuals should be free. They regard each of us as full self property owners. However, they differ from what we generally understand by the term libertarian in denying the right to private property. We own ourselves, but we do not own nature, at least not as individuals. Left libertarians embrace the view that all natural resources, land, oil, gold, trees, and so on should be held collectively. This sort of idea appeals to many with otherwise very far right ideas like some of the hunting and shooting lobby in the US. Left or Right Libertarian, is probably far from being a centrist. Funny thing is, on you tube and other platforms, these guys do anything to pretend they are not the light Alt-lite they are. It's easy to do because many people are simply ignorant.

Definitions of Libertarian amalgamated to form a coherant line of thought with panache from wiki. 🙂

When you copy paste you should at least give the author credit.

Originally posted by snowdragon
When you copy paste you should at least give the author credit.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
only parts are copied and pasted and amalgamated with elan from wiki. So wiki is the reference. Happy? 🙂

It's your post, to bad it's just not original and you propogate more than originate ideas.

Originally posted by snowdragon
It's your post, to bad it's just not original and you propogate more than originate ideas.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
hmm amalgamated with flair to form a coherant line of thought from wiki. Sorry you don't like it 🙂

Seperate it out then, I mean in this day and age we need a better troll so take some pride in your troll and split it up and own it.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Seperate it out then, I mean in this day and age we need a better troll so take some pride in your troll and split it up and own it.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
no definitions are amalgamated with commentary. You define yourself as a Libertarian, am I right?

You constantly dodge whats presented to you, always.

Seperate it out then, I mean in this day and age we need a better troll so take some pride in your troll and split it up and own it.

Just do your own diligence and when you're called on it don't try and pivot to the other person.

Originally posted by snowdragon
You constantly dodge whats presented to you, always.

Seperate it out then, I mean in this day and age we need a better troll so take some pride in your troll and split it up and own it.

Just do your own diligence and when you're called on it don't try and pivot to the other person.

Now Libertarians should be against racism etc. However, taken from Libertarian.org

Barry Goldwater, generally believed to be the most libertarian major party presidential candidate of the past hundred years, famously voted against the Civil Rights Act, the most liberating piece of federal legislation since the end of Reconstruction. He had his reasons—he didn’t believe the federal government had the power to compel private businesses and individuals to accommodate those they didn’t want to.

With highly confused ideas like these Libertarians need to examine who they are. One of the criticisms from many libertarians themselves is the racism in online Libertarian ecosystems, you'd think Libertarianism ideals would be highly attractive to minority groups who big government have treated unfairly, but with a high percentage of racists using libertarian freedom to hide behind, it obviously isn't.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
74% originality is fine. You are a Libertarian am I right?

Obviously I'm a democrat, I want UBI, UHC and other issues so that has to make me a democrat, left of the left......I was behind Andrew Yang.

Neither of those benefit me, they just work to benefit our in equal class system.

Interesting talking points you found.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Obviously I'm a democrat, I want UBI, UHC and other issues so that has to make me a democrat, left of the left......I was behind Andrew Yang.

Neither of those benefit me, they just work to benefit our in equal class system.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
O.K. I'm a trades unionist, welfare state European Socialist. I believe in safety nets and equality.

I'm not really democrat even if I subscribe to yang. I am of the opinion we need to balance our political poles and that can mean green party for me or libertarian but not generally ascribed ot a main party element.

One of the problems we face is individuals like yourself weaponizing terms to move the spectrum. By associating libertarian with alt right you deliberatly know you are looking to weaponize.

You are generally a bad faith actor trolling.

Originally posted by snowdragon
I'm not really democrat even if I subscribe to yang. I am of the opinion we need to balance our political poles and that can mean green party for me or libertarian but not generally ascribed ot a main party element.

One of the problems we face is individuals like yourself weaponizing terms to move the spectrum. By associating libertarian with alt right you deliberatly know you are looking to weaponize.

You are generally a bad faith actor trolling.

"Alt-lite" is a made-up term, doesn't serve much useful function. Basically just a smear term for anyone with opinions the Left wishes to demonise.

Critical of Islam? Alt-lite. Critical of PC culture? Alt-lite. Etc.

Shit newspeak terminology used only to divide further. Basically anyone with right-leaning opinions or even just traditional liberal ethics is complicit in literal Nazism to the Left now.

Originally posted by snowdragon
One of the problems we face is individuals like yourself weaponizing terms to move the spectrum. By associating libertarian with alt right you deliberatly know you are looking to weaponize.

You are generally a bad faith actor trolling.

All terms are made up by someone. The problem with online rightists, be they "libertarians", Trumpers or the type of people you get here. No names till November is they often use the argument "it's all just a joke" but can't accept the counterbalance to this stance and reply by reeeeeeeeee Whirly!

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
All terms are made up by someone. The problem with online rightists, be they "libertarians", Trumpers or the type of people you get here. No names till November is they often use the argument "it's all just a joke" but can't accept the counterbalance to this stance and reply by reeeeeeeeee Whirly!

You start with thoughts then end in troll. No one on this forum trolls as hard as you do. It makes it impossible to engage you since you continually fall to the nonsensicle troll mode.

When your goal is to provide a panacea to the right but you continually go low haning fruit you do nada.

Originally posted by snowdragon
You start with thoughts then end in troll. No one on this forum trolls as hard as you do. It makes it impossible to engage you since you continually fall to the nonsensicle troll mode.

When your goal is to provide a panacea to the right but you continually go low haning fruit you do nada.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I disagree, what I think you mean is, "Whirly why are you so interested that obviously distasteful comments from the right against weak targets through posts, draw less fire from a significant proportion of barely literate posters on KMC than comments from leftist posters like Robtard and yourself?" I would think the reason is obvious and you would understand why it's a thread that runs through my entire posting history, account to account. I get the "reeeeeeeee Whirly trolling" reaction though!

First I wouldn't include rob's posts with yours. Second I've already addressed the fact you don't act in good faith to discuss topics. There is no reee except in your mind.