Why most Libertarians are a step away from the Alt lite

Originally posted by snowdragon
First I wouldn't include rob's posts with yours. Second I've already addressed the fact you don't act in good faith to discuss topics. There is no reee except in your mind.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I think what you mean is Whirly your statement is logical but I don't or can't acknowledge that. It's O.K. I see the cognitive dilemma. You are stuck in ad hominem mode. 🙂

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Now Libertarians should be against racism etc. However, taken from Libertarian.org

Barry Goldwater, generally believed to be the most libertarian major party presidential candidate of the past hundred years, famously voted against the Civil Rights Act, the most liberating piece of federal legislation since the end of Reconstruction. He had his reasons—he didn’t believe the federal government had the power to compel private businesses and individuals to accommodate those they didn’t want to.

With highly confused ideas like these Libertarians need to examine who they are. One of the criticisms from many libertarians themselves is the racism in online Libertarian ecosystems, you'd think Libertarianism ideals would be highly attractive to minority groups who big government have treated unfairly, but with a high percentage of racists using libertarian freedom to hide behind, it obviously isn't.

Do you believe people should have their friends chosen for them?

Should I be allowed to insist my sisters jobless boyfriend gets to live in your home?

Why do we act like business are somehow public property. A business is paid for by an individual. It's as much property as a home or car. Yet we insist they be forced to accommodate a public that has no obligation or risk in maintaining that business.

Why not let people do whatever they want, and suffer the consequences of their acts? Like public boycotts of racist businesses. That I can see, because its a choice people get to make, as opposed to having one forced on them.

🙂 reeeeeeeeee

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Many kinds of libertarian exist, which is why when a person says they are a libertarian they may well be alt lite in sheeps clothing, the same can be said for non progressive liberal, old fashioned liberal and classic Democrat, which is similar to present republican in the US. Libertarian conservatism advocates the greatest possible economic liberty and the least possible government regulation of social life, mirroring laissez-faire classical liberalism, but it harnesses this to a belief in a more social conservative philosophy emphasizing authority and duty. Not that liberal is it? Let's look at the libertarian left. Left libertarianism is a fairly recently coined term for a fairly old idea. Those people who embrace this view agree with other libertarians in holding that individuals should be free. They regard each of us as full self property owners. However, they differ from what we generally understand by the term libertarian in denying the right to private property. We own ourselves, but we do not own nature, at least not as individuals. Left libertarians embrace the view that all natural resources, land, oil, gold, trees, and so on should be held collectively. This sort of idea appeals to many with otherwise very far right ideas like some of the hunting and shooting lobby in the US. Left or Right Libertarian, is probably far from being a centrist. Funny thing is, on you tube and other platforms, these guys do anything to pretend they are not the light Alt-lite they are. It's easy to do because many people are simply ignorant.

Definitions of Libertarian amalgamated to form a coherant line of thought with panache from wiki. 🙂

Citation:

Libertarian Conservatism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_conservatism

Which is a brand of libertarianism on the right of the political compass.

Libertariansm encomposses anything from far left libertariansm (anarchists) to far right libertarians (the libertarian conservatives you describe).

The reason you didn't cite your source is because you're trying to:

1. Gaslight the conversation to be about libertarians because you want to target me, specifically, because I talk about some of my libertarian positions. You're hoping to get a response and trigger me. Which is odd: I'm never triggered except when I post stuff in the triggered thread where I jokingly indicate I am triggered. You've gotta stop this obsession with me. It's starting to get disturbing.

2. You want to get responses from people on the forum who are not Auth-Leftists such as Surtur, Scribs, Silent Master, etc.

This is classic Whirly trolling. The type of Whirly trolling that was from the late 2000s.

But if you're interested in not shitting on your own political ideologies (based on your posting history, you'd be in the green quadrant where Silent Master and I are but you'd be further down and left). Edit - I'm wrong. You're an Aut-Left based on a clarifying post you made, later. You're in the Mao, Pol Pot, and Stalin quadrant.

Here's a simplified graph that does a decent job of putting political ideologies on the political compass (but did receive some minor criticism when it was posted):

And here's a very detailed political compass that also received minor criticism:

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Now Libertarians should be against racism etc. However, taken from Libertarian.org

Barry Goldwater, generally believed to be the most libertarian major party presidential candidate of the past hundred years, famously voted against the Civil Rights Act, the most liberating piece of federal legislation since the end of Reconstruction. He had his reasons—he didn’t believe the federal government had the power to compel private businesses and individuals to accommodate those they didn’t want to.

With highly confused ideas like these Libertarians need to examine who they are. One of the criticisms from many libertarians themselves is the racism in online Libertarian ecosystems, you'd think Libertarianism ideals would be highly attractive to minority groups who big government have treated unfairly, but with a high percentage of racists using libertarian freedom to hide behind, it obviously isn't.

There's nothing confusing about libertarians, who value individual liberty above all, not wanting to support legislation that forces people and businesses to have to act and operate in a certain way.

There's nothing racist or even controversial about this. Only people who wish to strawman that position. This is obvious to anyone with half a brain, of course.

You broke the page and now I hate you forevah.

Originally posted by snowdragon
You broke the page and now I hate you forevah.

Other forums allow embedded images to be clickable thumbnails.

This is a problem of KMC running outdated vBulletin versions and not the embedded images.

Hell, even 10 years ago, on other forums, I could specify the images be "clickable thumbnails." It was a feature many years ago. That's how old KMC's code is.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
🙂 reeeeeeeeee

Your lack of a rebuttal is noted.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Other forums allow embedded images to be clickable thumbnails.

This is a problem of KMC running outdated vBulletin versions and not the embedded images.

Hell, even 10 years ago, on other forums, I could specify the images be "clickable thumbnails." It was a feature many years ago. That's how old KMC's code is.

Are you saying KMC is outdated? Madness.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Citation:

Libertarian Conservatism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_conservatism

Which is a brand of libertarianism on the right of the political compass.

Libertariansm encomposses anything from far left libertariansm (anarchists) to far right libertarians (the libertarian conservatives you describe).

The reason you didn't cite your source is because you're trying to:

1. Gaslight the conversation to be about libertarians because you want to target me, specifically, because I talk about some of my libertarian positions. You're hoping to get a response and trigger me. Which is odd: I'm never triggered except when I post stuff in the triggered thread where I jokingly indicate I am triggered. You've gotta stop this obsession with me. It's starting to get disturbing.

2. You want to get responses from people on the forum who are not Auth-Leftists such as Surtur, Scribs, Silent Master, etc.

This is classic Whirly trolling. The type of Whirly trolling that was from the late 2000s.

But if you're interested in not shitting on your own political ideologies (based on your posting history, you'd be in the green quadrant where Silent Master and I are but you'd be further down and left). Edit - I'm wrong. You're an Aut-Left based on a clarifying post you made, later. You're in the Mao, Pol Pot, and Stalin quadrant.

Here's a simplified graph that does a decent job of putting political ideologies on the political compass (but did receive some minor criticism when it was posted):

And here's a very detailed political compass that also received minor criticism:

Originally posted by dadudemon
Citation:

Libertarian Conservatism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_conservatism

Which is a brand of libertarianism on the right of the political compass.

Libertariansm encomposses anything from far left libertariansm (anarchists) to far right libertarians (the libertarian conservatives you describe).

The reason you didn't cite your source is because you're trying to:

1. Gaslight the conversation to be about libertarians because you want to target me, specifically, because I talk about some of my libertarian positions. You're hoping to get a response and trigger me. Which is odd: I'm never triggered except when I post stuff in the triggered thread where I jokingly indicate I am triggered. You've gotta stop this obsession with me. It's starting to get disturbing.

2. You want to get responses from people on the forum who are not Auth-Leftists such as Surtur, Scribs, Silent Master, etc.

This is classic Whirly trolling. The type of Whirly trolling that was from the late 2000s.

But if you're interested in not shitting on your own political ideologies (based on your posting history, you'd be in the green quadrant where Silent Master and I are but you'd be further down and left). Edit - I'm wrong. You're an Aut-Left based on a clarifying post you made, later. You're in the Mao, Pol Pot, and Stalin quadrant.

Here's a simplified graph that does a decent job of putting political ideologies on the political compass (but did receive some minor criticism when it was posted):

And here's a very detailed political compass that also received minor criticism:

He's a troll, he doesn't care about the truth.

I hail from the cult of rothbard, and by extension a hoppean as well.

What's amusing about libertarians is how much of a coincidence it is that the stuff they want freedom from government interference on is stuff they like to do and the stuff they're happy for the government to regulate is stuff they don't like others doing.

It's almost like it's not about individual's right but just about their own individual rights.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
What's amusing about libertarians is how much of a coincidence it is that the stuff they want freedom from government interference on is stuff they like to do and the stuff they're happy for the government to regulate is stuff they don't like others doing.

It's almost like it's not about individual's right but just about their own individual rights.

Rules for thee, none for me.

Libertarian 2020 candidate appears on podcast tied to ‘boogaloo’ movement

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/06/libertarian-2020-candidate-jo-jorgensen-podcast-boogaloo-movement?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy

Libertarian aligning with Boogaloo...