Through the 70s and 80s, X-Men were easily the better written team. Then the 90s happened. While X-Men floundered, we started getting Justice League books by Giffen and DeMatteis, and in the late 90s, the titan that is Morrison's JLA came along. In the 00s, X-Men was up and down, as was JLA. Both have some good stuff, but both have really, really bad stuff too.
The last decade or so? It's a wash, imo.
I will say this, though: X-Men is a much, much harder book to get right than JLA. It relies far more on the dynamic between the characters and their relationships with each other. That's natural though, given that for the X-Men, the X-Men is their full-time job, whereas the League is a part-time thing.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Through the 70s and 80s, X-Men were easily the better written team. Then the 90s happened. While X-Men floundered, we started getting Justice League books by Giffen and DeMatteis, and in the late 90s, the titan that is Morrison's JLA came along. In the 00s, X-Men was up and down, as was JLA. Both have some good stuff, but both have really, really bad stuff too.The last decade or so? It's a wash, imo.
I will say this, though: X-Men is a much, much harder book to get right than JLA. It relies far more on the dynamic between the characters and their relationships with each other. That's natural though, given that for the X-Men, the X-Men is their full-time job, whereas the League is a part-time thing.
Did you really just say the 90s happened and act like Jim Lee and Claremont didn't get busy with the x men?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Did you really just say the 90s happened and act like Jim Lee and Claremont didn't get busy with the x men?
The X-Men started the 90s strong, but even before the halfway point people like Claremont and Lee been mostly replaced by Nicieza and Kubert. And Nicieza has written some good comics in his time, but I would not consider his X-Men run to be part of that.
It isn't that it's terrible for the most part (though it is in places), but against the best of the JLA in that period? I would pick JLA.
Even when Claremont came back, it just wasn't the same for me.
X-Men was killing the game in the 90's up to the early 2000's where they floundered for half a storyline then Morrison came in and reignited the flame. Oddly enough I don't remember Grant Morrison's jla being all that hot, JSA was becoming the more solid book in DC until around the time dwayne McDuffie started writing the book.
I honestly don't agree. After Claremont left, X-Men just wasn't the same until Morrison came along.
The Twelve? Onslaught? Crimson Dawn? I would suggest going back and re-reading them, because while they are fine in places, they are a definite decline in quality compared to Claremont before, and Morrison after.
At least we had Madureira on art. He was fantastic.
You don't like Morrison's JLA? Really? I don't know what to say to that at all.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I honestly don't agree. After Claremont left, X-Men just wasn't the same until Morrison came along.The Twelve? Onslaught? Crimson Dawn? I would suggest going back and re-reading them, because while they are fine in places, they are a definite decline in quality compared to Claremont before, and Morrison after.
At least we had Madureira on art. He was fantastic.
You don't like Morrison's JLA? Really? I don't know what to say to that at all.
Nothing out was touching Jim Lee or Todd Mcfarlane art in the 90s.
X Men/spiderman and Image ruled the 90s.
Morrison's JLA was garbage imo for the most part. He tried to do too much that just didn't fit to me. The 90's comics wise was a battle between marvel, image, valiant, and Malibu with DC sitting around in mediocrity. When each of the other comic companies started dying off marvel seemed to take more of a share until DC snatched wildstorm from them when marvel couldn't make a satisfying deal for it.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Nothing out was touching Jim Lee or Todd Mcfarlane art in the 90s.X Men/spiderman and Image ruled the 90s.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Morrison's JLA was garbage imo for the most part. He tried to do too much that just didn't fit to me. The 90's comics wise was a battle between marvel, image, valiant, and Malibu with DC sitting around in mediocrity. When each of the other comic companies started dying off marvel seemed to take more of a share until DC snatched wildstorm from them when marvel couldn't make a satisfying deal for it.
I don't agree at all, and even putting my own preferences to the side, I can't imagine anyone thinking Morrison's JLA isn't several magnitudes better than anything X-Men put out after Claremont ****ed off to do other stuff.
Originally posted by beatboks
These type of threads are ridiculous.
No one comic producer has better heroes or better stories.
No to mention its so subjective that no discussion made can actually come up with an imperically correct answer.Never mind the fact that in many cases the same great creators have worked for both. I love the work of Roy Thomas, whether it was conan, The Avengers, The Invaders, or Defenders at Marvel or All Star Squadron, Arak son of Thunder, Inf Inc or Young All Stars at DC.
I love the work of Mike Grell whether its Green Arrow, Leguon of Super heroes at DC or Ironman, Xmen forever at Marvel.
I love the work of John Ostrander whether its Spectre, Suicide Squad, Firestorm at DC or Xmen, heroes for hire or Punisher at Marvel.
Quite frankly the idea of this thread is offensive, as comics are comics and the same crearive people work regularly for both companies
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
meh Outside of Snyder's run (which honestly didn't focus on the league as a team so much as it just led into Death Metal) the League don't really have any good or great stories.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
operation zero tolerance was way better than JLA at the time. There was a brief period where they had maggot on the team afterwards where it got a little lame for a few issues before thet got back to business. JLA was weak imo until the tower of Babel storyline came out.
Most of the time I'm wondering if you mean what you say, or are just trolling.
Instead of assuming the latter, I'm just going to assume you have terrible taste.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thats a good post.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Most of the time I'm wondering if you mean what you say, or are just trolling.Instead of assuming the latter, I'm just going to assume you have terrible taste.
Thats a good post.
it's different strokes for different folks I guess. Grant Morrison tends to do the same thing that Brian Bendis and Johnathan Hickman do and thats write themselves into a corner trying to do too much. That's not to say they are horrible Bendis was good with ultimate spiderman and powers but his X-Men and avengers runs were mostly lackluster shock value pieces that all ended flat. Morrison was overconceptual garbage with most of his stuff outside of the X-Men and even there he almost messed up with "here comes tomorrow" at the end. He JLA run didn't know if it wanted to be justice league or a psuedo religious story with the justice league as a side piece.